Mr. > Bro. > W.Bro.

Bill Lins said:

The only GL "Pasts" we have are "Past Grand Master"s (PGM).

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In my other jurisdictions to be Past you must have been elected. If you were appointed then you are Former. So we have Past Masters, Past Grand Treasurers, but we have Former DDGMs. In effect pretty much every Brother who is active is Past or Former something at lodge and many Brothers who visit a lot ends up Past or Former Grand something.

Bill Lins said:

The only GL "Pasts" we have are "Past Grand Master"s (PGM).

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You don't have past grand elected officers, such as Past Grand Secretary?

The Traveling Man said:

Is there a reason they gave you a Grand Officer rank, despite you never being a Grand Lodge officer? And is there a reason they chose Junior Grand Warden specifically?

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'Cause they liked my dimples.

That province will award the rank if one has served as the head of a side order and for long service.

New Jersey Mason here.

You go from Mr to Bro after you finish the obligation and are taught the secrets of that particular degree.. "Arise my Brother and ... "

You go from Brother to WBro the moment your butt hits the seat when you are installed as Master of the Lodge. More specifically, you become a Past Master the moment you hit the chair during your installation.

The Traveling Man said:

Is there a reason they gave you a Grand Officer rank, despite you never being a Grand Lodge officer? And is there a reason they chose Junior Grand Warden specifically?

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In Victoria is generally conferred as a recognition of past service to the Craft and/or your lodge and sometimes recognition for community service.. It is unusual for senior members of Mark or Chapter also not to have conferred Craft Grand Rank.

Just speaking about Provincial honours system in the UGLE, not necessary correct but my observation, is that the ProvGM will promote some junior provincial grand officers after they have provided services to the Province in general.
One after leaving the Chair, waiting for 5-7 years depending on Provinces, will be appointed to a first rank, which is normally ranged between PProvSGD to PProvGStB. They said if you worked very great in your year and have many different brownie points then you will get Provincial Senior Grand Deacon or Junior Grand Deacon. If you are not that good you may get Assistant Grand Director of Ceremonies, and so forth.
Some provinces do a fast track for young WMs, which is they will be appointed to be ProvGStwd after they leave the Chair for 1 or 2 years, even still in the Chair, then they normally be promoted to PProvSGD after the past the ProvGStwd a few years.
After getting your first appointment a few year after, you maybe promoted to higher ranks, such as PProvGSwdB, PProvGSuptWks or PProvDepGDC.
The highest Past rank you can get without actual occupying that office is PProvSGW and it is a very great privilege, PProvJGW and PProvGReg follow.

If it's in London, then there are only three ranks, London Rank, London Grand Rank, and Senior London Grand Rank.
LR is for the lay brethren for working on the same non progressive office for more than 7 or 10 years (I forgot the requirement)
LGR is for the PM after coming out of the Chair 6 years minimum.
And SLGR is after LGR.
LGR is equals up from ProvSGD to PProvGTyler.
Every rank above ProvSGD is equals to SLGR in London, such as ProvSGW ProvJGW


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Glen Cook said:

You don't have past grand elected officers, such as Past Grand Secretary?

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No, sir- our current Grand Secretary happens to be a PGM, but past Grand officers, except for the GM and Committee on Work members, hold the highest title there is- "Brother".

Bloke said:

Yep. I am a WBro by virtue of being a Past Master

Our GM does two years, although this can be extended which I've seen once because he was overseeing a large project...

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Bro Bloke can you tell me where I can find more info on title of WBro? Is it in Law Book? If so, where? Tnx

In the GL of Scotland only past holders of Grand Offices hold Past Grand Rank. For his services to the Craft, however, a brother may be awarded 'Honorary Grand Rank'. Having served as the District Grand Secretary for my District I was awarded the Honorary Grand Rank of Assistant Grand Secretary, so on my Lodge Notice Paper I am listed as the lodge secretary as 'Bro. Paul Miller, PM, A.G.S (Hon. Scot.)'. As such I am entitled to wear the Grand Lodge Regalia for that position ( but in practice I wear my lodge regalia).

A Provincial or District Grand Master can also award Provincial or District Grand Rank on deserving brethren in their Province or District.

Those holding Provincial or District Grand Rank may wear a neck jewel suspended on a thistle-green ribbon consisting of the jewel of the Office surrounded with a wreath of oak leaves. Honorary Grand Rank collars are similar but have the coat of arms of Grand Lodge just above the suspension point of the jewel.

Oddly (to my mind) in the Order of Precedence of Grand Lodge, Honorary Grand Office-bearers come immediately after the present holder of the office and before past holders!

Canadian Paul said:

.....Oddly (to my mind) in the Order of Precedence of Grand Lodge, Honorary Grand Office-bearers come immediately after the present holder of the office and before past holders!

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Maybe because it's easier to obtain the office than have the equivalent rank conferred? ... but yes that sounds weird..

Plustax said:

Bro Bloke can you tell me where I can find more info on title of WBro? Is it in Law Book? If so, where? Tnx

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Law Book ? As in Constitutions ? Yes, the rules and ranks are in there, all the rest about rank really rests on convention..I think previously in the thread I gave a link about pre and post Nominals, down the bottom is the order of Precedence for ranks.

Mr to Brother once they become an EA
Brother to Worshipful (or Worshipful Brother) once they became a Master of a Lodge... same title applies to a Past Master
Grand Lodge titles include Most Worshipful Brother for the Grand Master, Right Worshipful Brother from the Deputy GM, Senior Grand Warden, Junior Grand Warden.

Of course you are WBro when you are WM of the Lodge in most of the jurisdiction, except Scottish linked jurisdictions...
My question was what is the time point when you become a W.Bro.?
After the first obligation as Master Elect? or the Second obligation as Master Elect? or the time when you got put into the Chair?

P.S. I just became a WBro this week

TerWM said:

Of course you are WBro when you are WM of the Lodge in most of the jurisdiction, except Scottish linked jurisdictions...
My question was what is the time point when you become a W.Bro.?
After the first obligation as Master Elect? or the Second obligation as Master Elect? or the time when you got put into the Chair?

P.S. I just became a WBro this week

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Congratulations. After a Worshipful Master Elect (WME) is obligated as WME in the second degree, hes still only a WME and he is never installed, then he's not a WBRO. When he becomes one; my obligation does not allow me to discuss. It's rare to find Bros talking about what happens in an Installed Master Board.

Bloke said:

Congratulations. After a Worshipful Master Elect (WME) is obligated as WME in the second degree, hes still only a WME and he is never installed, then he's not a WBRO. When he becomes one; my obligation does not allow me to discuss. It's rare to find Bros talking about what happens in an Installed Master Board.

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It is. IM is not that popular on the discussion boards than the other 3 degrees