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Dontrell Stroman · Jan 9, 2018

David612 said:
Fair enough, I personally am cautious with charity as I have spent a lot of time on people who asked for help but wherent in a position to make use of it.
Now I extend my help to deserving people, Masons invariably are deserving as I know at a base level they are fundamentally good people even when we don’t see eye to eye,
That said should any other good person reasonably call on me for help I would treat them as a brother, be they man, woman or child.

I think for the most part we can all agree to that. Helping anyone in need is the right thing to do, but dont confuse making the decision to help as being the same as obligated to help.

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David612 · Jan 9, 2018

Travelling Man91 said:
I think for the most part we can all agree to that. Helping anyone in need is the right thing to do, but dont confuse making the decision to help as being the same as obligated to help.

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I belive it to be an obligation as a person of the world who is fortunate enough to be in a position to help my fellow man be they a mason or not.
Striving to be a better person, in my opinion, should have a man looking beyond the bounds of creed, religion and lodge affiliation etc.
Consider the north east charge while it speakes to a brother in distress I would like to think it extends beyond the bounds of fraternal brotherhood.
Granted I may go the extra mile for someone who is a mason but that will be because they are also my friend.
Just my 2c

pmvi · Jan 9, 2018

Going the extra mile for my brethren is in my opinion only is what i want to do, because i would like it done to me in a especially in a foreign country etc. True story, i had a brother from spain migrate to canada with his family, with no relatives he decided to find a lodge and found one knocked and now he had brothers all around the city and province, we do the small things that make big differences in ones lives.

MarkR · Jan 10, 2018

If the modes of identification are not to be used outside of a tyled lodge, then there's no need for them whatsoever. I know the brothers in lodge. I've been gripped on the streets of cities in Scotland.

Dontrell Stroman · Jan 10, 2018

David612 said:
I belive it to be an obligation as a person of the world who is fortunate enough to be in a position to help my fellow man be they a mason or not.
Striving to be a better person, in my opinion, should have a man looking beyond the bounds of creed, religion and lodge affiliation etc.
Consider the north east charge while it speakes to a brother in distress I would like to think it extends beyond the bounds of fraternal brotherhood.
Granted I may go the extra mile for someone who is a mason but that will be because they are also my friend.
Just my 2c

in deeper meanings our obligation may extend to the outside world, but I literally took my obligation to help a fellow worthy brother Mason if within the length.................

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Warrior1256 · Jan 10, 2018

Travelling Man91 said:
in deeper meanings our obligation may extend to the outside world, but I literally took my obligation to help a fellow worthy brother Mason if within the length.................

Agreed.

pmvi · Jan 10, 2018

Agree also

LK600 · Jan 10, 2018

Testing and being able to recognize a Brother on the street, in my opinion are vastly different things. You want to make sure I'm a Brother? I'm fine with that. You want to test me for no real reason, Don't waste my time. Want to take my things? Prepare to have a bad day.

While I will do my best to help anyone within my line of sight, I will go out of my way to assist a Brother. Charity in Freemasonry actually refers to kindness, and while we are to show kindness to all, our obligation to each other is on another level as it should be.

Dontrell Stroman · Jan 10, 2018

LK600 said:
Testing and being able to recognize a Brother on the street, in my opinion are vastly different things. You want to make sure I'm a Brother? I'm fine with that. You want to test me for no real reason, Don't waste my time. Want to take my things? Prepare to have a bad day.

While I will do my best to help anyone within my line of sight, I will go out of my way to assist a Brother. Charity in Freemasonry actually refers to kindness, and while we are to show kindness to all, our obligation to each other is on another level as it should be.

I cant agree more. Very well said brother. I am against testing someone on the street for the sole purpose of finding out what he knows about masonry. I find it pointless and immature. If your concerned about what I know attend my lodge during lecture night and we can discuss all you want. Thats if ! he can pass the same examination to gain admission into the lodge he is trying to give me on the street .

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pmvi · Jan 10, 2018

LK600 said:
Testing and being able to recognize a Brother on the street, in my opinion are vastly different things. You want to make sure I'm a Brother? I'm fine with that. You want to test me for no real reason, Don't waste my time. Want to take my things? Prepare to have a bad day.

While I will do my best to help anyone within my line of sight, I will go out of my way to assist a Brother. Charity in Freemasonry actually refers to kindness, and while we are to show kindness to all, our obligation to each other is on another level as it should be.

Well said

hanzosbm · Jan 10, 2018

I think that there's another facet of this that hasn't been discussed. I will sometimes use little clues ('are you a traveling man', etc) purely because if they are not a Mason, I don't necessarily want them knowing that I am. Freemasonry generally has a positive reputation, but there are still lots of crazies out there who believe the conspiracy theories, and I have no desire to accidently step into their accusations. I enjoy meeting brothers I haven't previously met, so I'm all for approaching a stranger who, for one reason or another has given a hint at being a Mason (a ring or S&C...I wouldn't bother, I'd just come out and introduce myself as a Mason) cautiously.

Dontrell Stroman · Jan 10, 2018

hanzosbm said:
I think that there's another facet of this that hasn't been discussed. I will sometimes use little clues ('are you a traveling man', etc) purely because if they are not a Mason, I don't necessarily want them knowing that I am. Freemasonry generally has a positive reputation, but there are still lots of crazies out there who believe the conspiracy theories, and I have no desire to accidently step into their accusations. I enjoy meeting brothers I haven't previously met, so I'm all for approaching a stranger who, for one reason or another has given a hint at being a Mason (a ring or S&C...I wouldn't bother, I'd just come out and introduce myself as a Mason) cautiously.

I didnt want to come out and say it, but yes little subtle questions like you stated helps you identity who is a freemason.

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David612 · Jan 10, 2018

Personally I don’t care who knows I’m a mason but i also don’t broadcast it, to the average guy on the street it makes no difference.

I have had a few times where for example a guy has pulled out a zippo with knights templar motifs and wears rings with Templar iconography on it I notice and ask if he’s a traveling man and get blank looks back, try again and ask are you a mason? Again to returning blank looks..
He couldn’t have been more confused.
He just thought knights where cool.

Warrior1256 · Jan 10, 2018

LK600 said:
Want to take my things? Prepare to have a bad day.

Absolutely!

LK600 said:
While I will do my best to help anyone within my line of sight, I will go out of my way to assist a Brother.

LK600 said:
while we are to show kindness to all, our obligation to each other is on another level as it should be.

Absolutely!

hanzosbm said:
Freemasonry generally has a positive reputation, but there are still lots of crazies out there who believe the conspiracy theories, and I have no desire to accidently step into their accusations.

Can't blame you there.

David612 said:
Personally I don’t care who knows I’m a mason but i also don’t broadcast it, to the average guy on the street it makes no difference.

I wear a Masonic ring and a Knight Templar ring as well as Masonic or appendant polo shirts so I guess that I am a walking advertisement, lol.

David612 · Jan 10, 2018

Warrior1256 said:
Absolutely!

Absolutely!

Can't blame you there.

I wear a Masonic ring and a Knight Templar ring as well as Masonic or appendant polo shirts so I guess that I am a walking advertisement, lol.

Very much a different culture, no one I have seen wears any Masonic clothes, just don’t feel the need I guess.

Dontrell Stroman · Jan 10, 2018

David612 said:
Personally I don’t care who knows I’m a mason but i also don’t broadcast it, to the average guy on the street it makes no difference.

I have had a few times where for example a guy has pulled out a zippo with knights templar motifs and wears rings with Templar iconography on it I notice and ask if he’s a traveling man and get blank looks back, try again and ask are you a mason? Again to returning blank looks..
He couldn’t have been more confused.
He just thought knights where cool.

Prime example of a basic question that you asked and you were able to determine he was not a mason.

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Bro Book · Jan 10, 2018

I wear a square circle almost always since 84 , when it is noticed and inquired about , I have lil replies that convince people Quick, if they know and shut them down if they don't, my favorite is something like I was grave robbing or something, or what you know about that? their response whatever it is will inform the well informed !!! !

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Glen Cook · Jan 10, 2018

David612 said:
...Masons invariably are deserving as I know at a base level they are fundamentally good....

Sigh. If only it were so.

LK600 · Jan 10, 2018

Glen Cook said:
Sigh. If only it were so.

Don't destroy my make believe world!

Dontrell Stroman · Jan 10, 2018

Bro Book said:
I wear a square circle almost always since 84 , when it is noticed and inquired about , I have lil replies that convince people Quick, if they know and shut them down if they don't, my favorite is something like I was grave robbing or something, or what you know about that? their response whatever it is will inform the well informed !!! !

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"What you know about that" is a very common phrase where I live. Normally when a brother responds in this kind of way I just say I know a little and end the conversation because in previous conversations it turned into a "examination" on the street over just inquiring over a symbol. Might I add, more common amongst PHA masons in my jusdriction. **Before anyone gets their undies in a wad and claim its not just PHA masons that do it, I am a PHA mason and im speaking from my experience in my jusdriction and even more so my district.

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