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About origin of Freemasonry

Winter

Premium Member
It appears that trying to reason with this guy is a waste of time. On the other hand he may just be yanking our chains to get a reaction.
From his comment it seems pretty clear he is just another anti Masonic idiot trying to "expose" the organization. Whatever that means.

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Luigi Visentin

Registered User
Wow! How many messages in one day only!:D Unfortunately for a flame! :(
Sorry I have been away for a lot of time but I was busy with the new version of my book and I'm translating it in English ... alone (Gulp!)
I have some development in the research as I have found an ancient organization which was very similar to the one of the ancient lodges. The system around this organization explains also the basic mechanism which has allowed the development of the very early Scottish Rite, basically when it was not existing and, at his place, there were only the Rite of Heredom or Perfection and The council of emperors of the east and west. The more strange thing is that existed a non Masonic organization that shared a similar tradition!
My only problem is to find an editor. Otherway I will proceed with self publishing!;)
 

Luigi Visentin

Registered User
If it would be "Mithraims" I would have written "mithraism". Masonry has taken a lot from mithraism but because it was a sacralization of the army, not because it was a religion. The organization is another one. However I do not say that this organization is the origin of Freemasonry but, more likely, middle age Freemasons took inspiration from this organization to create its own lodge organization. The mithraic elements are a puzzling component: they could indicate that the connection between the ancient organization and the middle ages ones could be real. Unfortunately this can not be proved.
 

Warrior1256

Site Benefactor
My only problem is to find an editor. Otherway I will proceed with self publishing!;)
Masonry has taken a lot from mithraism but because it was a sacralization of the army, not because it was a religion.
However I do not say that this organization is the origin of Freemasonry but, more likely, middle age Freemasons took inspiration from this organization to create its own lodge organization.
Very interesting Brother!
 
The Supreme Council SJ doesn’t even govern all of the US! And they have nothing to do with ANYTHING other that the Rite in those states it covers.
And Pike got the rituals from someone else before he rewrote and retranslated them. Incorrectly, by the way.

Why Masonic "Patents" needed?
 

coachn

Coach John S. Nagy
Premium Member
JustJames said:
It is common that the incoming Master agrees to some version of "discountenance impostors, and all dissenters from the original plan of Masonry."
Original Plan? What exactly is "The Original Plan of Masonry" and who signed off on it?
JustJames said:
Is there an account of the original plan of Masonry?
Wait?!?! Why are you asking this question when the previous one assumes that there was one? Are you assuming there was an Original Plan so therefore, there MUST be an account?
JustJames said:
If not, who are these dissenters?
Are you talking about the original dissenters or the new improved crop?
 

Matt1

Registered User
Wow! How many messages in one day only!:D Unfortunately for a flame! :(
Sorry I have been away for a lot of time but I was busy with the new version of my book and I'm translating it in English ... alone (Gulp!)
I have some development in the research as I have found an ancient organization which was very similar to the one of the ancient lodges. The system around this organization explains also the basic mechanism which has allowed the development of the very early Scottish Rite, basically when it was not existing and, at his place, there were only the Rite of Heredom or Perfection and The council of emperors of the east and west. The more strange thing is that existed a non Masonic organization that shared a similar tradition!
My only problem is to find an editor. Otherway I will proceed with self publishing!;)

Now, it's probably safest to speak about "similarities in tradition" than "the origins of a tradition", at least with my very limited knowledge of both history and Freemasonry (still not a Freemason), but this is very interesting. I look forward to learning more.
 

Luigi Visentin

Registered User
The tradition I'm referring is the one told by the Legend of York. Simply this "profane" institution claimed to have started from king David (the masonic one) even if the proofed starts was about 6 centuries later, while ancient Freemasons claimed to have received the first charges from Nimrod (the masonic one). This, obviously, does not exclude that both traditions could have been both invented.


PS: I have prudently written "similar tradition" but if I have to apply the results of my findings to define the members of this institution I would answer without any doubt: "Operative Masons".
 
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