A Brother Asks: Why Is Excluding Women Legitimate?

Todd M. Stewart · Dec 10, 2018

coachn said:
As are we all!

And thus the purpose of our travels ‘From the West to the East’.

Warrior1256 · Dec 10, 2018

coachn said:
We belong to a Freemasonic Order, and so do they! To not show respect and expect respect in return is a double standard to which we should not abide nor support.

I certainly agree! I try to treat everyone with dignity and respect. It's just that any Masonic organization that allows women members is not "regular" Masonry according to the Masonic organization that I belong to and support. But that certainly doesn't mean that I would treat them in any sort of demeaning way.

Brother JC · Dec 10, 2018

LK600 said:
They are legitimate the same way the Moose, Elks, VFW, etc are also legitimate.

This actually brings up a different question; why don’t we consider some of these animal fraternities to be clandestine to our cause? The Eagles used our lodge layout, our ritual, everything masonic to create their Aeries, but we don’t say a word. Some of us even join because they have cheap beer...

Glen Cook · Dec 10, 2018

Brother JC said:
This actually brings up a different question; why don’t we consider some of these animal fraternities to be clandestine to our cause? The Eagles used our lodge layout, our ritual, everything masonic to create their Aeries, but we don’t say a word. Some of us even join because they have cheap beer...

Because they don’t claim to make Masons.

David612 · Dec 10, 2018

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I think some get too tied up in pointless politics

coachn · Dec 11, 2018

LK600 said:
Personally, I do not expect respect in return because I would see no reason for anyone outside of Mainstream / PHA Freemasonry to call me anything other than my name.

Understood. However, the statement was quite clear: To not show respect and expect respect in return is a double standard to which we should not abide nor support.

When you don't expect something, this would not apply.

LK600 said:
Women have no option available to them (in reference to Mainstream Freeemasonry) so their formation of a separate Freemasonic organization(s) is valid (if they determine it to be so). Anyone else, I'd gladly instruct them how to obtain an application in the jurisdiction they are.

Yep! And I'd gladly instruct anyone else in what to look for too, if within my ability and if available as an option.

LK600 said:
Having said all of this... by no means am I suggesting anyone leave whatever group they are in nor that they should care one bit whether I or anyone else recognizes them. We should be respectful to all regardless of recognition, and whether your a "Brother" or not, you should be treated as a friend which in my world means more like family. Regardless of who or what you are, how I act is a reflection of me... not the person I'm interacting with.

Agreed!

LK600 · Dec 11, 2018

Brother JC said:
This actually brings up a different question; why don’t we consider some of these animal fraternities to be clandestine to our cause? The Eagles used our lodge layout, our ritual, everything masonic to create their Aeries, but we don’t say a word. Some of us even join because they have cheap beer...

My reply to this would be exactly what Brother Cook stated quoted below...

Glen Cook said:
Because they don’t claim to make Masons.

This all day.

LK600 · Dec 11, 2018

coachn said:
Understood. However, the statement was quite clear: To not show respect and expect respect in return is a double standard to which we should not abide nor support.

I agree, and would suggest a Brother who does not recognize Irregular Masonic styled organization(s) and yet demands that they recognize him is quite confused. The only recognition that should be expected is from within.

coachn · Dec 11, 2018

LK600 said:
I agree, and would suggest a Brother who does not recognize Irregular Masonic styled organization(s) and yet demands that they recognize him is quite confused. The only recognition that should be expected is from within.

AMEN!

Number4 · Dec 22, 2019

Bloke said:
Where else in Western Society other than Freemasonry would it be seen as completely normal and acceptable (and approved) that two grown heterosexual men can sit publicly holding each others hands ?

Among combat veterans mourning a fallen Brother in Arms. It's no coincidence that many of the Craft are active or retired military - for my part Masonry is everything I like about my time in the army (without the 5 mile runs before breakfast!)

Warrior1256 · Aug 29, 2020

Number4 said:
or my part Masonry is everything I like about my time in the army (without the 5 mile runs before breakfast!)

Amen....lol!

Number4 · Aug 29, 2020

"could it be that all lodges (whether UGLE recognizes them or not) consider themselves regular?"

That's like saying I consider my self a helicopter, but neither the FAA or the Air Force recognize me as such

coachn · Aug 29, 2020

Number4 said:
"could it be that all lodges (whether UGLE recognizes them or not) consider themselves regular?"

That's like saying I consider my self a helicopter, but neither the FAA or the Air Force recognize me as such

As humorous as your comment is meant to be, it is fallacious. Regularity is determined by the governing Grand Lodge.

Winter · Aug 29, 2020

JamestheJust said:
Since a Freemason's lodge extends from E to W, N to S and from the center of the Earth to the Heavens, it is quite hard to exclude women.

By that logic, we should also admit rapists, murderers and pedophiles since they also fall within the boundaries you have listed.

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coachn · Aug 29, 2020

Just James said:
Since a Freemason's lodge extends from E to W, N to S and from the center of the Earth to the Heavens, it is quite hard to exclude women.

Typical Logical Fallacy... changing the meaning of a word to suit your argument... Metaphor and reality are two entirely different directions with entirely different foundations.

coachn · Aug 29, 2020

JustJames said:
What then is the value in pointing out to the EA the extent of a Freemason's lodge?

To introduce them to metaphor...

Pointwithinacircle3 · Aug 29, 2020

Perhaps one aspect of Freemasonry as practiced in the American Grand Lodge system is (or should be if done correctly) to teach Mature Masculinity in a world where most people have forgotten what it looks like. Just an idea.

Elexir · Aug 29, 2020

JamestheJust said:
What then is the value in pointing out to the EA the extent of a Freemason's lodge?

"Metaphors just point the way
Towards untouchable ideas
Fixating on the finger
Missed the point, dull the point as well"

( https://g.co/kgs/FuwcTZ )

Sometimes words are like pictures and hold a deeper meaning then you will understand when you first hear it.

TheThumbPuppy · Aug 30, 2020

JamestheJust said:
Since a Freemason's lodge extends from E to W, N to S and from the center of the Earth to the Heavens, it is quite hard to exclude women.

I thought women were from Venus

coachn · Aug 30, 2020

Pointwithinacircle3 said:
Perhaps one aspect of Freemasonry as practiced in the American Grand Lodge system is (or should be if done correctly) to teach Mature Masculinity in a world where most people have forgotten what it looks like. Just an idea.

AMEN!

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