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phulseapple

Premium Member
What about the GL's that include his book on their recommended reading lists and sell it through their book store? Would you not construe that as their endorsement of his views? Cordially, Skip.
Most Grand Lodges also sell works by Hodapp, Morris, Porter, Mackey, Hall, and Pike, etc and so on, however these are also those authors own personal view and interpretations of the symbols and signs found in Freemasonry. So no, it would not be an endorsement of their views, it would be an example of where to find a well thought out, and concisely presented interpretation of the symbols in Masonry that a person could read to come up with their own explanations. Something your pal Duane could not do.

Would the works of Martin Luther, John Calvin or John Wycliffe be 100% accurate representations of Christianity?
 
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T.N. Sampson

Guest
Skip, neither you, nor any other person on this earth, can tell me that I am not a Christian, who I pray to, or what I believe. Nor do you or the Anti- Masonic crowd have the power to condemn me to hell.
And where have I done so? Cordially, Skip.
 

daddyrich

Registered User
Disingenuous and facetious. Phulseapple, your well-reasoned points are wasted in this conversation. This guy believes we are going to hell for our membership and still has the unmitigated gall to play a victim that we don't think of his feelings when we counter with his groups core beliefs. I am not one to pray much, but I do pray that group would consider me a 'persistant Freemason'. Please do go somewhere else and make your, "who me? I don't question your Christianity (etc.)"
 

phulseapple

Premium Member
Disingenuous and facetious. Phulseapple, your well-reasoned points are wasted in this conversation. This guy believes we are going to hell for our membership and still has the unmitigated gall to play a victim that we don't think of his feelings when we counter with his groups core beliefs. I am not one to pray much, but I do pray that group would consider me a 'persistant Freemason'. Please do go somewhere else and make your, "who me? I don't question your Christianity (etc.)"
Oh I know that, I have seen him and his crew in action before.
 

widows son

Premium Member
Phulsapple is 100% accurate in his statement, those books are the authors interpreting of the symbols, nowhere in any of these books does it say " this book is endorsed by the GL. " you still haven't said which GL you are getting your reference from. There are many grand lodges in the world.
 
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T.N. Sampson

Guest
Hardly......Luther's 95 Theses were his arguments based on his point of view and interpretation of what HE read in the Bible.....
Exactly. He drew on the Bible as the authority for his points and one can address them on that basis for correctness. Cordially, Skip.
 

Hndrx

Premium Member
I have generally found that anti-masons of various types have either a fear of things they find hard to understand or a fear of things they find to be "different". Unfortunately, this often leads to intolerance, hate, and a propensity to attempt to cast their opinions as divine revelation or political rhetoric. Everyone or everything that lacks conformity with their narrow viewpoint is somehow evil or an enemy. (BTW, this is the same phenomenon that causes people to rant about Harry Potter, Sponge Bob, Dungeons & Dragons, etc. Within the Christian community, these harmful attitudes hurt the spread of the gospel of Christ and make the unchurched public view most Christians as ignorant and hateful instead of Christlike. As a very conservative Christian, I've seen this first hand.)

Anti-masonry is present in a great many religious and political arenas. Some good examples include radical versions of Islam, the governments of various communist states, totalitarian regimes world wide, and the Nazi party in WW2 Germany. Unfortunately, anti-masonry is simultaneously home to a great many lunatics and conspiracy theorists.

Fighting against untruth and ignorance about Freemasonry is a tough job. However, I think that we must do it for our future growth.
 

widows son

Premium Member
I agree, the the generation I'm growing up in, I feel, wants nothing to do with freemasonry, but I feel the same about Christianity. I don't anyone out of my friends and family that want to
Be a mason, but I also don't know anyone who wants to be a priest or pastor either. You are right we need fight this untruth, but we should pick our battles, people like skippy are people you will never get through, hes the kind of guy who wants us to not exist and burn in hell for all of eternity cuz we are masons. Ludicrous, but a very real problem
 

Frater Cliff Porter

Premium Member
There will always be debate...there is a certain point in a Masons journey, at least there was mine, when I felt compelled almost to defend Freemasonry from the zealots.

Masonry has an answer for this which appears in the EA charge which admonishes us not to debate with the ignorant.

FYI for those wading into these waters. Skip, WD Rice, Kunk, and the rest of the e-Masons that are or were part of the Ex-Masons for Jesus and E5:11 ilk have lied, changed post, made up whole people to convert to Christ so we could all watch. In their version of Christianity you are evil and misinformed and they are doing God's work by battling with you because you have been tricked by something EVIL and that is FREEMASONRY and they feel the ends justify the means and have reduced themselves to horrible tactics to win this.

I honestly believe you are wasting time and should cut Skip like a cancer from this forum.

He will learn nothing from you and you nothing from him.

Skip....I know it won't work, but I will ask anyway. Please go away.
 

Hndrx

Premium Member
I was once an anti-mason. I was misinformed by other anti-masons and through my ignorance opposed Freemasonry. Most anti-masons fall into this category. However, I do agree that the hardcore anti-masons are mostly a lost cause. I don't respond to "convert" the hardcore anti-masons. I respond so that others who may be like I once was will have a voice of reason instead of only hearing one side of the story and believing it because Masons, through their silence, are appearing to confirm the ridiculous accusations that are being made by the conspiracy nutters.
 

Traveling Man

Premium Member
Masons, through their silence, are appearing to confirm the ridiculous accusations that are being made by the conspiracy nutters.

We would always be trying to prove a negative. All one has to do is look at their sources and the truth comes out. It has time and time again. The axiom about wrestling with pigs comes to mind: I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.
George Bernard Shaw

I was once told that the Masonic Charities contributions were exaggerated, these individuals don't have a clue as to what each local lodge contributes to each community, but again we don't have to brag about it like some other organizations. Does this mean we should have to open our books to them? I think not!
 

widows son

Premium Member
Love the quote. I think we need to break the silence, but choose our battles. I think a GL program should be instituted, sanctioned by UGLE, and the affiliated bodies
 

widows son

Premium Member
My question to skip is why do you hate freemasonry? If religious and political freedoms are allowed in your country, why do you insist on putting them down. Satanist have as much a right to practice as you do, not that i agree with satanism but the point is they have the right to religious freedom. Isnt it in your first amendment ?.( I took advanced American history in grade 12, correct me if my wrong)
 
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T.N. Sampson

Guest
My question to skip is why do you hate freemasonry?
I never said I did. In fact, I don't.
If religious and political freedoms are allowed in your country, why do you insist on putting them down.
I don't put them down, nor have I ever.
Satanist have as much a right to practice as you do, not that i agree with satanism but the point is they have the right to religious freedom.
Of course they do. And I have the right to oppose them under the same freedom.
Isnt it in your first amendment?
Freedom of speech and religion are both in there. But on this forum, one sees Masons wishing to deny both to me. An interesting occurance, one might say. Cordially, Skip.
 
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