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Sacred Geometry

Virgin Islands Brother

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So, I'm digging a little deeper into the hidden mysteries of nature and science. My RA companion has been enthusiastic from the jump. I'm trying to figure out the 5 p solids and I get a text from him that baffles my eyes. An Internet search into the solids now peaks interest in sacred geometry. After absorbing as much as I can. I realize I'm overwhelmed, it's 12:30 am and I've been reading and surfing for 4 hours. It's implications are astounding; however, how to use it in life is the riddle I'm trying to solve. I want to believe this is an individual journey. The question is, as masons, how has this information been used in your life? Is it limited to study and speculation, or can it be applied?
 

widows son

Premium Member
I think there may be something behind it but a serious inquiry needs to be put into it. I also want to believe as there are many cultures and even masonry that's boasts about geometry. But I think it's a bit more mundane at closer scrutiny. Another thing I'm on the fence with.
 

jvarnell

Premium Member
You need to look at Frequency's and which are natural Fibonacci numbers. Witch some old coulchers called the third eye.
 

widows son

Premium Member
I've read quite a bit about sacred geometry, like I said, we need a serious inquiry into it, I'm not a scientist so I can't say for sure if it's true or not, but it's compelling to say the least.
 

jvarnell

Premium Member
I've read quite a bit about sacred geometry, like I said, we need a serious inquiry into it, I'm not a scientist so I can't say for sure if it's true or not, but it's compelling to say the least.

What were the major titles so I can go find them?
 

widows son

Premium Member
If your asking for references to books I've read on sacred geometry, here they are:
The ancient secret of the flower of life by drunvalo melchizedek

The temple of Karnak
R.A. Schwallwer de lubicz

The secret teachings of all ages
Manly P. Hall

Sacred geometry: philosophy and practice
Robert Lawlor

Uriel's machine
Christopher knight and Robert Lomas

I havent been able to find much on the debunking side so far, only what google can find and they all say the same thing. If you come across something that debunks it please let me know as i am incorporating it in my anti Masonic work
 

widows son

Premium Member
Ya id say they're worth the read, but just remember that these are just theories and are not peer reviewed
 

widows son

Premium Member
Absolutely, problem is everyone capable looks at it and dismisses it before even viewing it. I think some scientists need to get off their high horse, a lot of people with ideas that seems unorthodox at the time have proven to be right later on, perhaps this can be another case of that...
 

Ecossais

Registered User
The dimensions of the Texas apron, as specified in Grand Lodge Law, provides a solution for the ancient problems of "Squaring the Circle."

The dimensions of the Texas apron are based on the Phi Proportion (or Golden Section), which is approximately 1.61803.... The Texas apron is sixteen inches square, with a six-inch drop in the triangular bib. This divides the height of the apron into two parts, the bib (6 inches), and the part from the tip of the bib to the bottom of the apron (10 inches). Think of drawing the apron on a checkerboard, which is 8 squares by 8. If each square is 2 by 2, then the checkerboard is 16 by 16. The tip of the bib would be at a point 3 squares down from the top on the vertical centerline of the checkerboard.

If you take a compass, and put one point at the tip of the bib, and the other point at the mid-point of the bottom edge of the apron (or checkerboard), so that you have a radius of ten inches between the compass points, and then draw a circle, using the point at the tip of the bib as the center of the circle, you will have a circle with a circumference that very closely approximates the perimeter of the apron.

In fact, each of the two bottom edges of the bib will also approximate the radius so that the circle will just touch the top two corners of the apron (or checkerboard).

An equilateral triangle can be drawn between the two bottom points of the apron and the tip of the bib. The dimensions of this triangle are based on the Phi Proportion. The height of that triangle, when divided by half the base, will approximate 1.618.... (The Phi Proportion). That triangle is of the same dimensions as the Great Pyramid on the Gizeh Plateau in Egypt.

The Phi Proportion can be demonstrated by the Fibonacci series of numbers: 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21 ..., where each number in the series, added to the next number, will give you the third number. So, 3 plus 5 equals 8, and 5 plus 8 equals 13, and so on. When you take any number in the series and divide it by the previous number, the answer will approximate 1.618... (The Phi Proportion). So, 21 divided by 13 equals 1.615.... The higher you go up the number series, the ratio of one number to the previous becomes closer and closer to the exact Phi Proportion.

Here's an interesting factoid: Years ago, when archaeologists were stumped by the fact that there seemed to be an expanding ratio of distances along the "Avenue of the Dead" in the Teotihuacan Pyramid complex near Mexico City, they asked the Astronomer General from Scotland to take a look at their drawings. He did some quick measurements and realized that the distances were based on the Fibonacci Series, and therefore, the Phi Proportion. The archaeologists, not being mathematicians, did not understand what he was trying to tell them. So, he picked up a guitar and laid the neck of the guitar along the blueprint drawing of the Avenue of the Dead. He then fretted the guitar neck at each of the points on the drawing and played the subsequent chords, each one higher in pitch than the previous. Everyone immediately recognized the music "Thus Spake Zarathustra" by Richard Strauss. This was the same music used in Stanley Kubrick's movie "2001: A Space Odyssey" when all the planets came into alignment.
 

widows son

Premium Member
Ecossais, you and I need to meet in person. Your apron info has solidified my theories further on the dimensions of the apron, all of the stated points I wholly agree and feel more inquiry needs to be done in general by those capable to do so.
 

jvarnell

Premium Member
Thanks
If your asking for references to books I've read on sacred geometry, here they are:
The ancient secret of the flower of life by drunvalo melchizedek

The temple of Karnak
R.A. Schwallwer de lubicz

The secret teachings of all ages
Manly P. Hall

Sacred geometry: philosophy and practice
Robert Lawlor

Uriel's machine
Christopher knight and Robert Lomas

I havent been able to find much on the debunking side so far, only what google can find and they all say the same thing. If you come across something that debunks it please let me know as i am incorporating it in my anti Masonic work
 

BryanMaloney

Premium Member
Absolutely, problem is everyone capable looks at it and dismisses it before even viewing it. I think some scientists need to get off their high horse, a lot of people with ideas that seems unorthodox at the time have proven to be right later on, perhaps this can be another case of that...

You neglected to mention that none of this stuff is new. It was bandied about in the Renaissance and studied extensively by the scientists of that time. They discovered that it was rubbish and forgot about it. Serious scientists should not have to waste their time refuting nonsense over and over, every time it recrudesces.
 

BryanMaloney

Premium Member
He then fretted the guitar neck at each of the points on the drawing and played the subsequent chords, each one higher in pitch than the previous. Everyone immediately recognized the music "Thus Spake Zarathustra" by Richard Strauss. This was the same music used in Stanley Kubrick's movie "2001: A Space Odyssey" when all the planets came into alignment.

The point being? Strauss came from an era when musicians were expected to know math (and mathematicians expected to play an instrument).
 

JJones

Moderator
You neglected to mention that none of this stuff is new. It was bandied about in the Renaissance and studied extensively by the scientists of that time. They discovered that it was rubbish and forgot about it. Serious scientists should not have to waste their time refuting nonsense over and over, every time it recrudesces.

:blink:

The same scientists that believed the world was flat and advocated use of leeches to heal the sick?

I don't know about it being nonsense brother. Respectfully, I think we shouldn't dismiss one another's beliefs as rubbish simply because we don't subscribe to it.

Personally, I think we are taught to learn math and geometry for reasons that far exceed building with stone. I believe examples of the golden ration and the Fibonnaci sequence can be found all throughout nature...if masons use math and geometry to build structures why wouldn't the Great Geometrician use it in nature? By learning how to understand and identify sacred geometry we become more capable of appreciating the work of the Divine.

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