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- Thread starter Squire Bentley
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One technical question though. Isn't what he's issued just an edict? And aren't they only valid when the present Grand Master holds office? I.e. could this decision be null and void as soon as he's out?
Still agree that it's a terrible move, but it may be less permanent than initially thought.
Still agree that it's a terrible move, but it may be less permanent than initially thought.
CajunTinMan
Registered User
I know this is not "politically correct" but is this a bad thing or is he is he puging beliefs that are not in line with Masonic tenets? I didn't read in this edict that it was against non-Christian religons or beliefs. I didn't see anything about Jewish or Islamic religions being mentioned as needing to be banned as an example.
Odinism
Odinism is a polytheistic religion. We believe in and honour the life-giving and bountiful gods and goddesses of the Odinic pantheon, whom we refer to collectively as the High Gods of Asgarth, or as the Æsir and Vanir. Our gods are true gods, divine, living, spiritual entities, endowed with power and intelligence, able and willing to intervene in the course of Nature and of human lives. It behoves us to seek their goodwill and succour through prayer and sacrifice. But the gods do not require us to abase and humble ourselves; they do not seek to make of us craven slaves. Odinists therefore do not bow or kneel or kow-tow to the gods, but address them proudly like free, upstanding men and women. Odinists regard our gods, not as our masters, but as firm friends and powerful allies.
ODINIST FELLOWSHIP,
B.M. EDDA,
LONDON WC1N 3XX.
General principles of Wiccan beliefs:
Wicca is an almost completely decentralized religion. George Knowles, a Wiccan author, has said: "“Wicca has no high authority, no single leader, no prophet and no Bible to dictate its laws and beliefs”. [SUB]1[/SUB] Many, perhaps most, Wiccans are solitary practitioners. Others form small local groups called covens, groves, etc. Thus, there probably are almost as many sets of Wiccan beliefs as there are Wiccans.
Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance
Author: B.A. Robinson
Gnosticism: Ancient and modern
Deity: The Supreme Father God or Supreme God of Truth is remote from human affairs; he is unknowable and undetectable by human senses. She/he created a series of supernatural but finite beings called Aeons. One of these was Sophia, a virgin, who in turn gave birth to an defective, inferior Creator-God, also known as the Demiurge. (Demiurge means "public craftsman" in Greek.) This lower God is sometimes called Yaldabaoth or Ialdabaoth Jaldabaoth -- from Aramaic words meaning "begetter of the Heavens." This is Jehovah, the God of the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament). He is portrayed as the creator of the earth and its life forms. He is viewed by Gnostics as fundamentally evil, jealous, rigid, lacking in compassion, and prone to genocide. The Demiurge "thinks that he is supreme. His pride and incompetence have resulted in the sorry state of the world as we know it, and in the blind and ignorant condition of most of mankind."
Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance
Author: B.A. Robinson
Odinism
Odinism is a polytheistic religion. We believe in and honour the life-giving and bountiful gods and goddesses of the Odinic pantheon, whom we refer to collectively as the High Gods of Asgarth, or as the Æsir and Vanir. Our gods are true gods, divine, living, spiritual entities, endowed with power and intelligence, able and willing to intervene in the course of Nature and of human lives. It behoves us to seek their goodwill and succour through prayer and sacrifice. But the gods do not require us to abase and humble ourselves; they do not seek to make of us craven slaves. Odinists therefore do not bow or kneel or kow-tow to the gods, but address them proudly like free, upstanding men and women. Odinists regard our gods, not as our masters, but as firm friends and powerful allies.
ODINIST FELLOWSHIP,
B.M. EDDA,
LONDON WC1N 3XX.
General principles of Wiccan beliefs:
Wicca is an almost completely decentralized religion. George Knowles, a Wiccan author, has said: "“Wicca has no high authority, no single leader, no prophet and no Bible to dictate its laws and beliefs”. [SUB]1[/SUB] Many, perhaps most, Wiccans are solitary practitioners. Others form small local groups called covens, groves, etc. Thus, there probably are almost as many sets of Wiccan beliefs as there are Wiccans.
Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance
Author: B.A. Robinson
Gnosticism: Ancient and modern
Deity: The Supreme Father God or Supreme God of Truth is remote from human affairs; he is unknowable and undetectable by human senses. She/he created a series of supernatural but finite beings called Aeons. One of these was Sophia, a virgin, who in turn gave birth to an defective, inferior Creator-God, also known as the Demiurge. (Demiurge means "public craftsman" in Greek.) This lower God is sometimes called Yaldabaoth or Ialdabaoth Jaldabaoth -- from Aramaic words meaning "begetter of the Heavens." This is Jehovah, the God of the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament). He is portrayed as the creator of the earth and its life forms. He is viewed by Gnostics as fundamentally evil, jealous, rigid, lacking in compassion, and prone to genocide. The Demiurge "thinks that he is supreme. His pride and incompetence have resulted in the sorry state of the world as we know it, and in the blind and ignorant condition of most of mankind."
Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance
Author: B.A. Robinson
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dhouseholder
Registered User
I can only think of one belief system that is incompatible with Freemasonry. Atheism.
Are there others? How would we identify them?
The goal of Freemasonry is to make good men better. As long as we allow good men into the fraternity, we shall not fail.
Squire Bentley
Premium Member
It was an edict against non Abrahamic religions.
The edict specifically mentioned certain religions as incompatible with Freemasonry. Where you reading something else?
Godfrey Daniel
Registered User
"Gangnam Style"
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Godfrey Daniel
Registered User
Enough said
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widows son
Premium Member
Does this GM realize that abrahamic religions are directly influenced from the said religions? Not specifically Odinism or Wicca, but the pagan religions of the middle east helped shape the abrahamic religions. The Greeks, Egyptians, Assyrian/ Babylonian, and Persian faiths all influenced the rise of the abrahamic faiths. All were pantheistic but still had a supreme deity over all other deities, who is the father of creation.
BryanMaloney
Premium Member
Where does this state that an Odinist cannot regard Odin as supreme among these gods or that Odin did not function as a "Great Architect" when he directed his brothers in building Midgard (the mortal world)?
Please explain exactly how this means that a Wiccan CANNOT, therefore, believe in a supreme being or Great Architect of the Universe. Looks to me like it says that such beliefs can easily fall within Wicca.
CajunTinMan
Registered User
A Mason is oblig’d, by his Tenure, to obey the moral Law; and if he rightly understands the Art, he will never be a stupid Atheist, nor an irreligious Libertine. But though in ancient Times Masons were charg’d in every Country to be of the Religion of that Country or Nation, whatever it was, yet ‘tis now thought more expedient only to oblige them to the Religion in which all Men agree
Ok then what is the religion in which all men agree?
Ok then what is the religion in which all men agree?
widows son
Premium Member
At the time, Christianity, or the abrahamic faiths. But our society is different than it was in the 1700s. There are many revivals of old faiths that acknowledge the belief in a singularity. I feel as long as one is acknowledging a belief in a supreme being, then they can be a mason in my books. Fact is all these faiths that have a supreme being, and are acknowledging the same supreme being.
Is this Groundhog Day? I keep coming back and finding the same question?
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BryanMaloney
Premium Member
Why limit it to the modern soi-disant "revivals"? Hindus have been admitted to Freemasonry before these "revivals" existed (since 1872).
widows son
Premium Member
True, but freemasonry in those days was Christian, and the Christian overtones were removed to allow men from other faiths to enter. Some of the revivals led to the creation of bogus rites. But in the end the revivals never really were revivals. They never left, just went into obscurity.
CajunTinMan
Registered User
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David Hill
Registered User
Please take a moment to read The Perennial Philosophy by Aldous Huxley. It explains the religion in which all men agree.
CajunTinMan
Registered User
Sorry Brother but I would have to say that that man was an atheist philosopher. How could god being created by men be the religion agreed upon by anyone of belief?
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CajunTinMan
Registered User
This is correct.
CajunTinMan
Registered User
A good Brother asked me earlier "Where do we draw the line?" In reference to what beliefs to allow in masonry. That's a good question. We have to draw a line somewhere because of mandates of the first tenets. We can't just ignore it. We need to define the line, pick a place to draw the line, or completely redefine the tenet.