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I, likewise, remember the WM chair episode. I have seen them pick up a S/Q door knocker and some the Shrine stuff. I think it is an interest, but not a membership.

:-) When I was in Istanbul last time and some news coverage of some Islamic Fundamentalist popped up, one of the Muslim men I was with said, "They are not true Muslims, they are not following the ways of Islam...I wish people understood this."

Religion has done wonderful things in the world. The greatest buildings, the greatest societies, the greatest feats of men are often joined to their worship and love of God. So to, as is the way of things, the worlds greatest atrocities have been based on religion. To convince ourselves that...

Christians have horrible signs to: http://www.godhatesfags.com

I was invited to speak at a Cuban lodge, the Sons of Liberty Lodge in New Jersey by two brothers, one named Moises (Moses) and the other Mohammed. Upon arrival at the lodge one speaker was Swedish with an English accent, one English with a thicker accent still and myself. Some members were...

If you want to fire up a Masonic forum...Jesus, Race, Homosexuality, Crowley....all guaranteed to devolve into name calling. Its good to have strong feelings....you will never change a minds man, its hard enough to change our own.

We are all working to exercise our demons and subdue our passions...but those that seek to blame a demon for their weaknesses are looking in the wrong place for the cause of their problems.

PHA is recognized and mainstream. PHO is not.

Godspeed on the next phase of your journey my Brother.

Looking forward to seeing some of you soon......

I will always support freedom of religion and not freedom from it. I would support any student being allowed to pray so long as it was not in the middle of class...which, in my opinion, should be used for learning.

I have travled to many Muslim countries, met with many men who were Muslim and embraced Masonic Brethren who embraced Islam. I have also fought in a war etc. I am no bleeding heart. When it comes to religion, none has been more violent than my own faith, that of Christian. The Muslim...

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Claiming the Chamber is an innovation because it is not found in the lodge minutes is like claiming the same for a preparation room. We don't write in the minutes that a man entered the preparation room, nor did lodges write they a man entered the chamber. It is done outside the lodge.

Brother Jim Tresner senior said you could tell the success/health of an organization by the amount of rules. Organizations that are dying sit around and nitpick rules...successful and healthy organizations are too busy doing real work to do so.

Yes, I would hate to see men reflecting. We need to make certain no thinking or reflecting goes on...the GL is in charge of thinking and reflecting.... and Vick since one of your GL elected officers is "pro" Chamber I am not certain "never" is accurate.

Very true Brother Bryan.

And...another big problem is that is not a Hebrew word....at all. The Hebrew translations of Isaiah still do not possess the Roman Lucifer. I think it was something like the 400's when Lucifer shows up in Isaiah.

Brother I read the sources, I don't see how they answer the question. Like I have said in the past, I sometimes find a certain anger in your post and I am uncertain why. I almost sense you feel you need to defend the Christian faith from something, but what I am not certain. I could guess...

Bryan the sources you provided from "Grace Ministries" which I am guessing has a bit of an agenda still didn't answer the questions I posed which is what do find so mainstream and pedestrian.