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  1. Frater Cliff Porter

    Original Bible translation

    Could you elaborate on what you mean. I have made a personal study of them for some time and even took some plane flights to make that study and I will admit that on the face of your statement I find it academically indefensible and sense, which I often do with you Brother Bryan, and underlying...
  2. Frater Cliff Porter

    Bethlehem Masonic Temple Employee Steals $225,000

    If it is true, hope he rots in hell. I mean that as compassionate as it sounds.
  3. Frater Cliff Porter

    I need to know if this is an legitimate lodge

    So the thing about clandestine lodges is that most are not in amity with one another as well. My guess is they are not in amity with anyone but themselves.
  4. Frater Cliff Porter

    Wizards, Wackjobs, and Weirdoes

    Brother Bryan could you provide that message board or forum you mentioned. I have true interesting in reaching out to them to find out why such a claim would be made. If you overstated things a bit and the board or such does not exist I think an apology to our Gnostic brethren might be in...
  5. Frater Cliff Porter

    Wizards, Wackjobs, and Weirdoes

    I have enjoyed the study of a number of aspects and sects of the Christian faith from the Catholic church, to Lutheranism, to Gnosticism and have not found a single Gnostic declare that it is a MUST. The closest I can find is the fourth degree of the Scottish Rite which states a basic...
  6. Frater Cliff Porter

    Masonic Law concerning petitioners who are felons.

    I was looking at Texas traffic laws and a first offender DUI is not a felony (it is not a felony in any state at the moment). Texas has a felony traffic for multiple convictions and also if you kill or harm somebody. So this guy does NOT have a deferred felony for a simple DUI.
  7. Frater Cliff Porter

    Masonic Law concerning petitioners who are felons.

    Because you must stand up in court and admit and plead guilty, usually a deferred is considered guilt. In Colorado we allow convicted felons technically, although I happen to disagree with it. The Brethren have indicated they like lodges to have discretion in this decision (for fear of the...
  8. Frater Cliff Porter

    Are black people allowed?

    Everywhere in the Masonic world outside of the Southern part of the United States and a couple of states in the mid-west, race is not an issue. This is a remnant of America's past and will someday dissipate. Until then don't shop a lodge for race, shop a lodge for good men whom you want to...
  9. Frater Cliff Porter

    A bit of a surprise...

    Congrats Brother, wonderful news.
  10. Frater Cliff Porter

    Origins of Masonry?

    I am honestly not certain if we will ever truly know the origins. One thing is for certain, whatever Freemasonry was or came from, it was heavily influenced at the Enlightenment Era in Europe and from that we find the many of the origins of our common practices.
  11. Frater Cliff Porter

    Jesus Who?

    I think spirituality and religion both have value, but I don't either of you should put the other in the place of having to defend it. I think that is different than discussing it.
  12. Frater Cliff Porter

    Jesus Who?

    Religion is beautiful because it shows man's quest to know himself and God. Religion is terrible because it shows what man is willing to do to others on a quest.
  13. Frater Cliff Porter

    Regular Grand Lodge of England

    Grand Lodges and Church Denominations...every time someone sneezes...a new one lol
  14. Frater Cliff Porter

    Jesus Who?

    Christians would do well to learn about Christianity.
  15. Frater Cliff Porter

    Regular Grand Lodge of England

    I wish I could remember old boys name from Lodgeroom US...but I remember when they split and formed. My impression from the post at Lodgeroom US was the Grand Secretary at the time was passionate, interesting, and a little nuts. That being said, they are irregular because they popped up more...
  16. Frater Cliff Porter

    is it required to be initiated to learn the mysteries?

    The power of initiation is the power of the shared experience and rite of passage. Both are exceedingly valuable and part of the mystery. So, one does need this rite of passage to have experienced it and Hall, as much as I respect him, missed the boat on that specific point. In being a HUGE...
  17. Frater Cliff Porter

    2 Down, 19,998 to go: FL Grand Master Quantifies the Purge

    I don't think the two need be exclusive. I find religious intolerance and racism equally offensive and find no reason we should not work to stop both with equal zeal. I'll be honest, although I try to stay up on events in Masonry, I was not aware of a racism problem in Florida. I was aware...
  18. Frater Cliff Porter

    Grand Master of Florida Bans Certain Religions

    The Grand Master of Florida has banned certain religions. I have written an open letter to him and encourage all to do the same. http://www.therelevantmason.blogspot.com/2012/12/an-open-letter-to-grand-master-of.html
  19. Frater Cliff Porter

    Is Masonry "guilty" of teaching toleration?

    My statement was probably too harsh in succinct form. Let me elaborate. Masonry is about making good men better, its about fraternalism, philosophy and personal growth I would think. If a man's faith is at the part of his journey where he is worried about what others think about it, is in a...
  20. Frater Cliff Porter

    Is Masonry "guilty" of teaching toleration?

    The etymology of the word tolerance might offer some insight as well. The word origin means "to suffer" or to suffer the opinion of another. So as Masons we are not asking one to adopt the beliefs of another, but to suffer them as Brethren. In other words that we offer hope, faith and most...
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