A.f & a.m? F.&a.m?

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  1. JustinScott

    JustinScott Premium Member

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    I know F.&A.M. is free and accepted mason but what is the other one and what is the difference? Are they others besides these two and what are there differences?
     
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  3. widows son

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    A.f & a.m? F.&a.m?

    Ancient free and accepted masons, it goes back to the schism between the ancients and the moderns, google it you will find what you are looking for
     
  4. cjapgar

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    A.F & A.M. is Ancient Free and Accepted Masons. South Carolina is the only one that I know of that is neither of the two. They are A.F.M, Ancient Free Masons. Through my travels visiting both A.F. & A.M., F. & A.M and A.F.M, I have noted only minute differences in the work. The fellowship however has always been outstanding as I thought it would be.
     
  5. widows son

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    A.f & a.m? F.&a.m?

    Never heard of AFM. Any references I can check out on the subject?
     
  6. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

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    The Grand Lodge of the District of Columbia is F.A.A.M.
     
  7. Hndrx

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    AF&AM, F&AM, etc. is really just a difference in naming between various states in the US and between various "Mainstream" and Prince Hall Grand Lodges in different parts of the country. There isn't a real "practical" difference based on the name alone.
     
  8. martin

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    A.f & a.m? F.&a.m?

    Here in Canada A.F.A.M as a regular lodges does not Recognize irregular lodges ( F & AM ) usually mix lodges, woman lodges or lodges that practice different rites
     
  9. bupton52

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    Re: A.f & a.m? F.&a.m?

    What are some of those irregular F & AM lodges? The reason that I ask is because here in the States, most of the irregular lodges use A.F. & A.M.
     
  10. martin

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    A.f & a.m? F.&a.m?

    Not saying they doing anything wrong we as a regular lodges we don't see them as a masons
     
  11. daddyrich

    daddyrich Registered User

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    A.f & a.m? F.&a.m?

    What F & A.M. Lodges are considered irregular?
     
  12. scialytic

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    Most of it comes down to the history of the Grand Lodge line. A.F.&A.M. were the "Ancients" and F.&A.M. were the "Moderns" in 1751-1813 when England had two Grand Lodges.

    South Carolina is very interesting. They had two Grand Lodges: Free and Accepted Masons and Ancient York Masons. The AYM quickly outnumbered the Moderns and they eventually ended up in court. Ultimately they merged and became The Grand Lodge of Ancient Free Masons.

    I couldn't find the origins of the FAAM for DC. I'm sure it is interesting. Anyone know?


    Here's a table I found while looking. Source cite is listed below.

    AF and AM vs F and AM States... vs AFM States... vs FAAM States


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    AF & AM States


    AF & AM - Ancient Free and Accepted Masons


    These 24 AF & AM states include: CO, CT, DE, ID, IL, IA, KS, ME, MD, MA, MN, MO, MT, NE, NM, NC, ND, OK, OR, SD, TX, VA, WV, WY.


    F & A M States:


    F & AM - Free and Accepted Masons


    These 25 F & AM states include: AL, AK, AR, AZ, CA, FL, GA, HI, IN, KY, LA, MI, MS, NH, NJ, NV, NY, OH, PA, RI, TN, UT, VT, WA, WI.


    All Prince Hall lodges are also F. & AM


    AFM - Ancient Free Masons

    AFM State: SC

    FAAM - Free And Accepted Masons

    FAAM District: District of Columbia


    Source: http://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/af-and-am-vs-f-and-am-states.html#ixzz28G3kAQoh
     
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2012
  13. widows son

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    I though they recognize FAM, In new brunswick a lot of lodges are FAM
     
  14. scialytic

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    It all depends on where the charter was from and how it ties back. They may all be Recognized as Regular. That's why you have to look at the charter (now you can do most all of the research online). (I suppose they could also be decreed as clandestine with a perfectly sound charter, so you'd have to check with your Grand Lodge since that is the body that you are bound by.) Where did the Grand Lodge receive their charter, or the Lodges that formed the Grand Lodge. There are also lists of clandestine lodges online in various places. Pick one of the NB Lodges and research it back...that would be a pretty cool exercise.
     
  15. widows son

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    A.f & a.m? F.&a.m?

    Thx I def will!
     
  16. towerbuilder7

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    I would strongly advise you to check some additonal resources Brother, before you make continued judgments on F&AM Brethren in general.......There are REGULAR AND RECOGNIZED Mainstream and Prince Hall Affiliated Lodges here in the United States. 26 of the 50 States in the Union have Mainstream Grand Lodges that are styled Free and Accepted, while ALL of the Prince Hall Affiliated Grand Lodges here in the United States are styled Free and Accepted. Each of these Lodges mentioned above are recognized by the United Grand Lodge of England as being REGULAR IN ORIGIN.

    I'm not sure where you received your information about F&AM Lodges here in America being Irregular. We do NOT accept Women, and each of the Lodges, both Mainstream and Prince Hall Affiiated practice the Rites in Regular fashion as prescribed in the Landmarks and Ritual from their Grand Body of Origin and Lineage. If you desire more LIGHT on this issue, feel free to contact me on this thread. I need to make sure the Brethren in Canada are receiving the PROPER LIGHT up North, near the North Pole. The Lodges of questionable Lineage and Origin are the Predominantly African American "John G Jones" AF&AM "Grand Lodges" here in America. They are NOT recognized by the UGLE, nor either Mainstream or Prince Hall Grand Body in the US.



    Bro Vincent C. Jones, Sr., Lodge Chaplain, Bayou City Lodge #228
    Prince Hall Affiliation, Free and Accepted Masonry, Houston, Texas
    Most Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of TEXAS, Est. 1878
     
  17. JustinScott

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    This is what I was thinking.... so F.&A.M. are legitimate?
     
  18. CajunTinMan

    CajunTinMan Registered User

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    Some of it is just semantics. Example: Texas recieved it's charter from Louisiana. Texas is AF&AM and Louisiana is F&AM....
     
  19. bupton52

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    I would say yes, but what is more important is that we don't get caught up in the letters. If each of us familiarizes ourselves with which GLs our jurisdiction has amity with and know exactly what GLs are regular (All GL of State, MWPHGL of State, MW Stringer GL of MS, and the MW Union GL of FL) we won't have to worry about who has which letters. IMO
     
  20. bupton52

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    Re: A.f & a.m? F.&a.m?

    It just seems misleading to say that F&AM GLs are irregular and that is just not the case. The letters truly don't determine regularity.
     

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