Apostasy

Discussion in 'Philosophy, Religion and Spirituality' started by James T G, Jan 31, 2019.

  1. James T G

    James T G Registered User

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    Is it possible to officially leave the Roman Catholic Church beyond writing a letter to the parish in which you were Baptised? By "leave" I am asking if it's possible to remove the status of being Baptised into the Roman Catholic Church or can you only be removed as a statistic in the Baptism register?
     
  2. Matt L

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  3. James T G

    James T G Registered User

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    Seems rather unfair since the choice of entering the catholic church is not a conscious one, considering it is an infant baptismal.

    I assume it will be hard to find any statement saying how to break this "permanent bond" with the Catholic church if it is at all possible, any information on this matter?
    This being said it is something I have been considering, I wish to depart from the corruption of the catholic church and the corruption of Gods word, things such as the confession of sins to a clergy man "a man who is also subject to sin" I believe there is no need for a mediator and that I can have a direct relationship with god and confess all things directly. Things such as this and many other reasons are fuelling this want, I feel it is up to me to find God for God can only be found and not shown, I believe this is the path that the holy father would like me to follow as it is such a strong feeling within my heart.
    To clarify by leaving the catholic church I do not wish to become protestant I wish to simply be a Christian and to follow Gods will accordingly.
     
  4. JamestheJust

    JamestheJust Registered User

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    I have 2 boys, the first I had baptised but not the second. When I look at their energy flows I can see no difference in terms of church connections. Both are without those connections.

    I was baptized a Roman Catholic and am lapsed. When I look for an energy connection formed at my baptism I do not find one.

    You may be worrying about something that does not exist.
     
  5. James T G

    James T G Registered User

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    I'm not talking about "energy flow" at all. It's the principal of taking control of my spirituality...
    if in a way I am still technically connected to the Catholic church.
     
  6. jermy Bell

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    I was raised Roman Catholic. (Non practicing), we was told just because you was raised Catholic doesn't mean it's the path you must remain. We was encouraged to look into and try other dominations. Growing up I had friends of just about every one, plus Bible school. My great grandmother said you are God's temple, as long as you believe and read the good book and do your best to live by the word of God you don't need a church or domination.
     
  7. JamestheJust

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    >taking control of my spirituality...if in a way I am still technically connected

    Being a son of God you need have no concern about taking control of your spirituality. As a manifestation of Spirit, religions and churches are not constraints unless you make them so.
     
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  8. James T G

    James T G Registered User

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    "you need have no concern about taking control of your spirituality"

    If the spiritual essence of the worlds largest church can be corrupted and mislead then surely my own spiritual essence is capable of such things also.
     
  9. JamestheJust

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    >surely my own spiritual essence is capable of such things also.

    I meet quite a lot of dark entities and the first thing I do is say/require: Show me your light!

    As far as I have seen all natural entities have indwelling light that is never lost. (Artificial beings may have no light)

    In your case your spiritual essence is present and stronger than average for Earth humans. Do not allow adverse thoughts to distract you from your inner light
     
  10. Brother JC

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    Your “membership” in the church is defined solely by your willingness to follow their dogma.
     
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  11. Warrior1256

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    I am not a Catholic but this statement makes the most sense to me no matter which religion / philosophy you follow.
     
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  12. dfreybur

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    This is a church question not a lodge question. For very good reasons we don't discuss religion in our buildings. This is not one of our buildings so the landmark does not apply directly but you just asked a question that is a matter of policy at churches but a matter of opinion among individuals.

    We can't and won't address church policies or legal policies. We have no input on those. We don't and won't tell our members what opinion to have on church matters. What we teach is that Brothers should attend more and be more active in the religion of their conscience.

    Okay, that said you are talking about a physical event that happened in the past. The past can not be changed. It happened. What it means is among you as an individual, the church as an organization and any laws that apply. Those may change the meaning but none have any effect on the physical event.
     
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  13. coachn

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    Ya can't uncrack an egg James. If you experienced it, you did it. In other words: You can check out any time you want, but you can never undo the past.

    That being said, you'd have to address this with the church in question. This is the wrong venue to seek that kind of light.
     
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  14. Warrior1256

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    Makes sense.
    Agreed.
     
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  15. James T G

    James T G Registered User

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    You state that this is a church matter and that in your assembly you wish not to speak of religion and politics and I can respect that, let me say that I have no wishes to become a member of the masonic fraternity as I believe that light can be found alone if you look for it hard enough as St Augustine said "Stop looking upon the things on which the light shines, turn to see the source of the light" a personal journey of spirituality can take place without joining a commune with it's own tradition. IMO.

    It's not only here that I have asked this question I have asked this question to the head of the parish in which I was baptised and a few other places and they either refuse to answer, beat around or give me a vague answer, I ask here as I wish to gain multiple perspectives. What would you say to someone who isn't getting the answers they are looking for despite asking the appropriate parties?
     
  16. jermy Bell

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    I would say look elsewhere. If it bothers you that much, just denounce religion all together and move on. Your path is yours and yours alone. There are no real answers, just faith of the unknown...........
     
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  17. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Good!
    Yet, you seek Light from "us". Interesting.
    Wow! You think light of any value is actually provided to you by joining any organization. This is a sad mistake many make when they join this organization. The rituals point to the light, but it is not the light. You still have to do the work on your own to "get it".
    Plato communicates the same thing in his allegory of the cave.
    Yep. So, are you implying Freemasonry is a commune?
    Not surprising...
    I'd say: You can't trust the appropriate parties you're asking.
     
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  18. James T G

    James T G Registered User

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    "yet you seek light from us"

    I did state

    sorry don't know how to delete this botched reply...
     
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  19. James T G

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    "yet you seek light from us"

    as I said I have asked multiple sources do not think so highly of thy self.

    I did not say I trust the appropriate parties for I am still asking the questions, if I trusted the appropriate parties I would have taken their word.

    are you implying freemasonry is not a commune or in other words "brotherhood"???

    What does "light" mean to you?

    I do not think "light" can be given alone or by any organisation, I believe "light" can only be gained through ones own determination
     
  20. James T G

    James T G Registered User

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    "If it bothers you that much, just denounce religion all together"

    I still choose to follow the teachings of Christ, what can you call this but religion?
     

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