Apostolic Johannite Church

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  1. Ripcord22A

    Ripcord22A Site Benefactor

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    This is from a Brother here in my Lodge.....
    "Brethren,

    I have been researching a new article which has brought me to an awareness (I know, here I go again) of a body called the Apostolic Johannite Church (AJC), which claims descent from teachings transmitted through the Templars (I remain, as has been the case, a skeptic on said connection until solid evidence is presented) and have been reading one of their books, "Sanctuary of the Sacred Flame" (Fr. Anthony Silvia, who is also a Freemason and Martinist) and, on p. 122, found the following:


    "Of course, if you have the opportunity to attend the Johannite Gnostic Mass... that is strongly encouraged. If you are anywhere within a few hours drive I would highly recommend making an effort to visit it- at the very least on the feast days of the two Saints John, as these are especially important holidays in our tradition."

    Now, Johannite Gnosticism is a rather new strain to my experience and it has to be conceded (as is done by the author on a YouTube presentation) the connection is tentative at best (he acknowledges there isn't any firm evidence) and the AJC has been around since the date, shrouded in antiquity, of the year 2000, so there isn't a sold chain of transmission there, either. However, their Templar myth has been around for quite a while as has been the tradition focusing on the Saints John. I find this interesting not because I think it shows a Templar connection to the Craft but may indicate evidence of a Gnostic one. I am not saying this constitutes proof, but this may point to the origin of the Saints as our twin patrons since (see http://catholicsaints.info/patrons-of-stone-masons/ ) neither appear as patrons in the Catholic tradition (oddly, St. Peter does and he was a fisherman). Offered for reflection and possible discussion."

    Your thought BROTHERS....
     
  2. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    I was just reading this in an e-mail... I'll have to ponder more this evening.
     
  3. chrmc

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    Tim Hogan has given some interesting talks in their setting.
     
  4. SimonM

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    After a quick reading on their website I found two strange things
    First, they claim they are gnostic but does not use the gnostic sacrament of the Bridal Chamber.
    Secondly, they put great emphasis on the apostolic succession but does not explain how they got their.

    These two points are serious enough for me the recommend to avoid them. Either they just want your money, or they are good hearted but without genuine knowledge and training.


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  5. MasonicAdept

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    Have any of you Brothers read, The Levitikon?

    It was a publication found by Raymond Fabre'-Palaprat.

    Palaprat has a direct lineage to the Chinnon Parchment.

    The Apostolic Johannite Church copyrighted a translation of this publication in 2010.
     
  6. SimonM

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    I was not aware that there was a connection between Palprats claims of lineage to the Chinnon Parchment. Do you have any reference to where I can read more about that?


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  7. JamestheJust

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    According to the New Testament:

    - John baptized Jesus (initiated Jesus into John's group?)

    - Jesus baptized no one

    - Jesus raised one person.

    So if Christianity requires baptism, does it follow John or Jesus.

    This argument can be seen in the 2 versions of the Virgin and the Rocks. In the first is John blessing/baptizing Jesus? In the second it is clear which child is John.

    Notice in the second version that "John sign" has gone and the angel is not wearing the red color of a priestess of the mysteries.

    The phallic stone is particularly obvious in the second version but was publicly ignored until very recently.



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  8. Warrior1256

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    Excellent stuff!!!! Going to check into this myself.
     
  9. NY.Light.II

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    Extremely interesting. Note that in the first, the lower child (presumably Christ) is holding his hand in a traditional "blessing" shape. Also, in the second, the angel is no longer gesturing to John.

    Very interesting stuff. Subbing to this thread for further updates:


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  10. Bloke

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    Hasn't anyone noticed he's promoting a church ? I'd think that was weird if he sent more than one email on this unless he puts a masonic spin on the content... but even then... if I got more than 1 email form a brother recommend "attend the Johannite Gnostic Mass... that is strongly encouraged" ... I'd be uncomfotable, if they came in +3 emails, I'd be having a chat.... but he saves himself in "Offered for reflection and possible discussion" but not sure our Muslim or Jewish or Hindu bros would be super keen on inboxes busy on Christian Gnosticism......

    That's me thoughts :)
    ( noting also were on a discussion board and things Gnostic are often popular and interesting and my comments are about email not on this thread)
     
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  11. Ripcord22A

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    @Bloke....that part is a quote from an article not him suggesting.....
     
  12. Bloke

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    Ahhhh..thanks...
     
  13. T_ari

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    I'm not a member of this church, nor do i know if they are legitamate... however, the bridal chamber is very Valentinian gnosticism, not all gnostic churches or traditions are Valentinian.

    And whether or not Palaprat's church was even gnostic or not is up for debate.
     
  14. Luigi Visentin

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    Saint John the Baptist is a very strange christian "saint". First of all is the only person for which exists an independent source (Josephus). For Catholics he is "saint" as he was the first to "recognize" Jesus as the Messiah but, unfortunately, in another Gospels seems to have forgotten it as he sent some guys to Jesus to ask if he is was the Messiah. In the meantime he founded his own religion, which exists already, called "Mandaeism" a gnostic religion, known by European only in the late Middle Age (after the fall of the Templars). Mandaeism is a very peculiar religion and it has his own system, structure, history and teachings. The presumed "connection" of this Apostolic Johannite Church with the Baptist looks to be simply a personal invention of the founder.
     
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