Bro. Pythagorus

Discussion in 'Philosophy, Religion and Spirituality' started by Bevan Jones, Sep 19, 2018.

  1. Bevan Jones

    Bevan Jones Registered User

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    Dear Brethren All,

    We know that Euclid's 47th theorem and Pythagorus are fairly important in Masonry, adorning the PM's jewel. We further know that geometry and music were vital to Pythagorus' "Harmony of the Spheres". Geometry and Music also feature in the Several Liberal Arts, forming part of every gentleman's classical education, typically as part of his Grand Tour. I've always loved this explanation:

    Trivium, 3 roads
    - Grammar
    - Rhetoric
    - Logic

    Quadrivium, 4 roads
    - Arithmetic (number)
    - Geometry (number in space)
    - Music (number in time)
    - Astronomy (number in space and time)

    What did Pythagorus discover in Egypt as part of his Grand Tour? Would relish to hear your thoughts brethren.

    Yours, fraternally
    Bevan
     
  2. JamestheJust

    JamestheJust Registered User

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    Pythagoras told us that the numbers are alive. This is a hard saying and who can hear it?
     
  3. Bevan Jones

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    Not sure I agree that numbers are alive. What's certainly alive are the cycles and relationships that those numbers represent. We codified number long before we codified written languages. That's because number and cycles were so vital to our hunter-gatherer nature-based lifestyles, whereas an oral tradition perfectly sufficed for language. However, ever since then we've become fixated on the importance of the code, not the underlying meaning. It's like reading a travel guide and thinking we have all the answers, yet not ever having set foot in the foreign country. The map is not the terrain.

    Soothsayers play on this by coming up with ever more esoteric combinations of number and codes, claiming there's some hidden meaning. I prefer to go back to Nature's first principles, then see if the language can help explain it. For example, in any financial market, we all know that the Bull walks up the stairs, but the Bear jumps out the window. Pythagorus' theorem is a beautiful way to measure these cycles and, for any given time period, can help predict the fall of the bear's jump etc. It's a little long-winded but there is also some cool geometrical interpretation of Pythagorus at:



    I think understanding the underlying relationships is vital to unlocking the hidden mysteries of nature and science. Number is simply a language tool to help us to do so. I'm particularly fascinated by the nature of water, being the major element of our bodily and intellectual existence. I think Pythagorus was influenced by Thales, who moved from thinking mythologically about water to arguing, abstracting and thinking philosophically about it. This was a major defining step in our civilisation. Water cleanses our bodies and the earth by taking all our germs and pollution and running them through a massive salt bath (the ocean), before returning precious fresh water to us as rain. Whoever amongst us cannot see the inherent deity / spirare / pneuma in that must surely be blind. The cycle of water is the earth breathing... breathing life into Nature and Homo Sapiens.

    P.S. Apologies for the rambling nature of my posts. I tend to go off-piste sometimes but the thread should still be there.
     
  4. JamestheJust

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    >Not sure I agree that numbers are alive.

    It is certainly my experience that numbers are alive.
     
  5. Bevan Jones

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    That's great. Can you elucidate more on this with a practical example of your experience? Would be interested to hear more.
     
  6. JamestheJust

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    I am not sure my experiences are well suited to rational number discussion, but perhaps going beyond irrational numbers into imaginary numbers we can get a sense of their underlying intelligence.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_number

    Trained as a mathematician and an econometrician, I soon found that some numbers did not feel right - as if they were uncomfortable. Often I found those numbers to be incorrect, for example with transposed digits.

    When building models of state economies I ran into an equation with quarterly (solar) numbers on one side and monthly (lunar) numbers on the other side. The state economy (as an astral entity) was quite unhappy with that equation - rather like humans do not like being bad-mouthed.

    The author of the equation would not take my criticism but when I kicked up enough fuss he phoned a famous professor in London who immediately told him not to mix quarterly and lunar data.

    And if you want to get into esoteric healing, radionics does not even need wiring diagrams to apply numbers to healing of humans and other entities.

    http://www.radionicsinstitute.com/about_radionics.html

    I used to work with a radionics practitioner in northern Scotland every Sunday morning. Often it would be raining or worse, and I would look at the window at 11am knowing that I was to lead a public tour walking around the community at 2pm.

    So we would treat the community for clarity of consciousness and 2 hours later it would stop raining. I took that tour every Sunday for a whole year and never got wet.

    Since the acceptance of "spooky" interaction of particles at a distance and quantum mechanics casting doubt even on the existence of particles it is not so absurd to consider that numbers interact at a distance as well.
     
  7. Bevan Jones

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    Thanks for your examples. However, I can't escape the feeling that we're still talking about number as the best Homo Sapien language available to describe natural phenomenon. It's still not the thing itself, only one description of it. Certainly this language has brought us immeasurable progress in recent years. It is also rational (excuse the pun) and prevents us reaching too far into the more speculative areas, such as the fad for linking quantum, string theory et. al. to some or other spirituality. However, many others have done similar things over the years, when we look at gematria and Hermetic Qabalah for instance. I can only imagine the GAOTU giggling somewhere, saying "I gave them Number and now they're obsessed with it. They should have looked at Nature instead."

    Then again, the apple was eaten in the Fertile Crescent, after Sapiens left the Cradle of Humankind in South Africa, where we first discovered fire. Down here we're not so focused on number, meaning we might not have the fanciest stuff, or know more than the next guy, but we sure enjoy life. Anyway, I suppose the dreamer in me wants to link Pythagorus' understanding of the immortality of the Soul, to his geometrical musings. However, it's entirely feasible that he was simply interested in both fields and his attempts to relate them were also spurious. On the other hand, his Egyptian teachers would have certainly inter-related their "conjuring" of number with their magic, which they saw everywhere. Being of Nubian (Black) descent, their Black Arts and Black Magic would have been a major draw-card for the early Greek philosophers. The mystery continues...
     
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  8. JamestheJust

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    >I gave them Number and now they're obsessed with it. They should have looked at Nature instead.

    If you look at the Entity that uses Existence for its body, then you may see that rational and irrational numbers emerge as ripples in its flows of Intent and that imaginary numbers are the harmonics in the ripples.

    It is the harmonics in the flows of Intent that provide the Directionality to Existence.
     
  9. Bevan Jones

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    I like that vision. Resonates well with me. :) Speaking philosophically, as Heraclitus would put it, "Character is Fate".
     

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