Christianity in Freemasonry

Discussion in 'Frequently Asked Questions' started by Purkaple, Mar 31, 2016.

  1. Purkaple

    Purkaple Registered User

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    Freemasonry is often a controversial thing in the Church these days, I know. Why? Gnostic is a term I've heard used by Christians describing Freemasonry, but... I guess just what might be the reason for this? If Christianity is truly completely compatible, why is it so widely frowned upon and discouraged these days? It's like they think Masons all pray to false gods and practice voodoo...
     
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  2. goomba

    goomba Neo-Antient Site Benefactor

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    This is just my opinion.

    Because some people have such a narrow view of Christianity. They see it as anything outside of their understanding isn't true Christianity.
     
  3. Purkaple

    Purkaple Registered User

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    Some Christians, sure, but many of these doubters of Masonry's Christian compatibility are very reasonable and perceptionary thinkers, scholars.
     
  4. JamestheJust

    JamestheJust Registered User

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    I was brought up a Roman Catholic and of course we are taught to believe in the soul. One day I had an experience of knowing (gnosis) and when I got home I said to my mother: I know I have a soul.

    She immediately understood that I no longer believed because I knew, and said: You are weird.


    Thus the believer knows that it is not possible to know and is affronted by any that say that they do.

    The knower also does not need the clergy and may not feel obliged to contribute to their upkeep. How dangerous is that!
     
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  5. Mike Martin

    Mike Martin Eternal Apprentice Premium Member

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    The answer to the question is that Christians can be just as stupid and easily led as members of any other religion.

    Any person willing to live their life without ever looking into what they are being told by others will happily believe almost anything.
     
  6. goomba

    goomba Neo-Antient Site Benefactor

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    As are some of the Christian Masons that you are asking. Also some X think people belonging to Y aren't Z. Apply this last sentence to just about any situation. There will be people who are X that are reasonable, thinkers, and scholars. Very smart people can be wrong.
     
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  7. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    It appears that the Church in question has found that it's much easier to focus its group of people against an external cause that cannot be controlled than it is to have them do work upon themselves that is controllable. This is one of many ways to rally and solidify a group that is otherwise wandering aimlessly and without any true unifying purpose. It is called, "The addiction to a cause", and it is used within organizations to focus a group's attention on things that will control and focus attention and off things that really do need to be done because those in control know that by doing so, they gain tremendous power AND it masks the shortcomings and addictions of the leadership.

    As you might be gathering from my response, Freemasons are not immune from this in any way. Members within our organization suffer with this all consuming characteristic all too often and unfortunately cause others within our organization to suffer as well and as a result.
    Labeling is a well-known way of categorizing, stereotyping and dehumanizing others so that those who are labeling them feel justified with attacking them in ways that would be unconceivable if they were not so labeled. It is done out of ignorance AND in many cases it is done purposefully to influence others so that those who do the labeling shall gain additional influence over and from those who are ignorant.

    Once again, Freemasons are not immune from this in any way. Members within our organization purposefully create labels to influence members who do not know any better and who would rather have things "simplified" so that they can react to situations that they would rather not think about in depth.
    If you are talking about Freemasonry being frowned upon and discouraged by Christians: It is not all Christians (or believers of other faiths either!) that frown upon and discourage others from joining Freemasonry. It is only those who know they have a gullible and ignorant target audience that they can control by spouting these lies and when the audience actually listens to and is moved by their non-sense. It's a power thing and it does work all too well upon the ignorant and lazy masses.

    And...once again, Freemasons are not immune to this. You have a lot of non-sense being spouted by trusted individuals within our organization who are empowered by gullible and ignorant pre-members and existing members who refuse to dig deeper into issues affecting them and others.
    <sigh> The members of these organizations are mislead by both
    1) their unwillingness to do the work necessary to know and be better; and
    2) their desire to focus their energies upon supporting things that they know are truly not good for them.​

    Once again, freemasons are not immune to this. It is why Freemasonry and Freemasons are currently struggling unnecessarily with so much non-sense and suffering as both an organization and as individuals.

    F&S,

    Brother Coach
     
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  8. Classical

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    Freemasonry, from what I have experienced of it as a Fellowcraft, is perfectly friendly toward my Christian faith. The problem is with those people who are Fanatics. They are to be found in all religions, including atheism. Fanaticism is the enemy of brotherhood and mutual understanding. Unfortunately, many of my brothers and sisters in Christ have become fanatics. They will not abide any commitment to any organization or idea that is not explicitly of their own churches. They spend their free time denouncing, boycotting, pointing fingers and like activities. Who has time for that, if you're following the Prince of Peace? I sure don't. :)
     
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    I think it's a combination of things. Freemasonry is not a religion, but it certain ties in to many religions. Likewise, parts of what we do are different than what churches do, and other parts of what we do are private.
    I think that some individuals who do not feel that Freemasonry is compatible with Christianity feel that way because they see us as using some of the same figures and stories but in a different format and therefore feel that we are "doing it wrong" and/or they see that we are private about certain aspects and assume the worst.
    And, as others have pointed out, some of those people are fanatics and extremists, but allow me to toss another label into the mix; literalist. Some of the nicest, most giving people I've ever met would fall under this label (and yes, Brother Coach, I agree that labels can be dangerous) but to them, there is zero room for anything even slightly outside the lines of what they've been taught. What we teach is not in conflict with any major religion (that I'm aware of) but it is different, and to some people, different is wrong.
     
  10. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

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    I always just remember this quote
    A Christian life is like a good watch – An open face, busy hands, pure gold, well regulated & filled with good works.

    It works for Freemasons as well, rephrasing;

    A Freemason should be like a good watch – An open face, busy hands, pure gold, well regulated & filled with good works.
     
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  11. Warrior1256

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    All solid points that I totally agree with.
     
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    I think there will be a rapprochement in this lifetime.
     
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  15. Mirza Sultan Ahmad

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    Well! I think question is not whether Christianity and masonry are compatible or not. I went to two freemason places in Washington, there were Crosses in different places. The question should be whether Masonry is compatible with other religions or not.
     
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  16. pointwithinacircle2

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    I belong to more than one organization that requires a belief in God but takes no position on religion. I'm told the Boy Scouts fall into this category as well. Any former Boy Scouts care to comment?
     
  17. Classical

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    You are correct. Boy Scouts are to be Reverent. I'm an Eagle Scout.
     
  18. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    Do you mean lodges or something else? And by Washington are you referring to the state or the district?
     
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    Because our degrees tell a story out of the Old Testament, members of non-JCI faiths have to be secure in their faith before petitioning. There are some details to work through as far as the petition questions go but generally compatible.
     
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  20. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    What stories are those? I'm only familiar with allusions and references to the OT and the use of characters from the OT.
     

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