cub scouts

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by LRG, May 1, 2009.

  1. LRG

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    At Grand Lodge this past, we voted for the unite between the cub scouts-boy scouts and the lodge. It was a close vote but failed. Lots of children have no idea what DeMolay is or what it stands for and with a great argument concerning the cub scout to boy scout to DeMolay and then to a Master Mason could have been agreat idea.
    Just like DeMolay the population has no idea about the FreeMason and with the introduction from a cub scout or boy scout to DeMolay, This road when be a great introduction for future petitions.
     
  2. Blake Bowden

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    I agree 100%.
     
  3. LRG

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    Maybe at the next GL, someone can reintroduce this belief once again.
     
  4. owls84

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    I disagree. As soon as we allow Boy Scouts I believe the DeMolay will be gone. I think that we need to focus more on getting the public educated with Masonry and the DeMolay rather than allowing a body that teaches good things but we have no control on what they teach. I keep hearing people saying lets let the boy scouts in, I say no. I say lets focus and get the animal instinct on pitching DeMolay to the schools just as Boys Scouts do. Just MHO.
     
  5. TCShelton

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    +1.
     
  6. Blake Bowden

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    That's a great viewpoint if you have a nearby DeMolay Chapter, however there are many Lodges out there who are nowhere near one but DO have a local Boy Scout troop. I support having the Scouts 100%. By allowing them access to the Lodge it may provide the seeds to start new Chapters. I don't see the Scouts and DeMolay as competition.
     
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  7. RJS

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    That is a good point. I know where I grew up there was only Boy Scouts.
     
  8. owls84

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    Well that is good that you point that out but why not start a demolay chapter if it really concerns us?

    Note: I was a Boy Scout.
     
  9. RJS

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    How are Demolay Chapters started?
     
  10. Blake Bowden

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    We're struggling just to keep the doors open and chairs filled much less taking on a huge responsibility of starting a new DeMolay Chapter. What are the downsides for allowing the Scouts?
     
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  11. LRG

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    What are the ages for boyscouts versus the ages for DeMolay?
     
  12. Blake Bowden

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  13. JTM

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    boyscouts have things to do all the way up to eagle scout, which takes more than just 2 years :)

    boy scouts and demolay would be in competition, i would imagine.
     
  14. TCShelton

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    Yeah, sounds about right.
     
  15. Blake Bowden

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    Maybe, but why not leave it up to the individual Lodges? Those who are close or already have a DeMolay could simply deny the scouts, while others who do not can open the doors.
     
  16. TCShelton

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    I don't like it, but I don't think it should be prohibitted. Just another one of those things that shouldn't matter.
     
  17. LRG

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    Great idea.
    The exposure between the lodge and children as they grow up would be A+.
     
  18. owls84

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    I guess my stance is it is probably just as easy to get the DeMolay in a Lodge as it is for a Boy Scout troop. Why would you not want to allow an orginization that we can control? One that we know will teach Masonic views. I just think that we can do so much more for the DeMolay but we want to take the easy way and let someone else do the work and allow the Boy Scouts in because they are established. I think our question should be, how do we get the DeMolay as successful as the Boy Scouts?
     
  19. LRG

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    Wow, that hit a spot.
     
  20. Blake Bowden

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    Like it or not, there are far more Boy Scout Troops than DeMolay Chapters. Where will Lodges find Brothers to start a Chapter much less keep it going? This may not be a problem if you have a active lodge with many members. If that's the case, chances are you already have a DeMolay Chapter


    Here's the Scout Motto:

    "On my honor I will do my best
    To do my duty to God and my country
    and to obey the Scout Law;
    To help other people at all times;
    To keep myself physically strong,
    mentally awake, and morally straight."

    While the Scouts aren't a Masonic organization, I would be more than happy to have them meet at our Lodge. They share similar Morals and upright conduct.

    Don't get me wrong, our priority should be the DeMolay over the Scouts, however I would prefer the Lodge to decide whether to allow them access to the Lodge facilities, not Waco. I don't understand why my Brothers feel it would be a competition. The DeMolay is a Masonic organization and will always have close ties to the Lodge. When it comes to Boy Scouts, I would like for them to have an opportunity to use our facilities. Since many of our local Boy Scouts meet at church, could the same argument be applied? Are they competition for the churches youth organizations? Of course not. It's one thing to give a Den Master a set of keys to use a facility, it's a whole new ballgame when you want a Lodge to start a new DeMolay Chapter! What better way to snag the interest of a youth than to allow them access to the Lodge? Many of you scoff at this, but visit a rural Lodge and listen to their Treasurers report or see the empty chairs and protem'd stations. Goto the Grand Lodge website and view the hundreds of rural Lodges there are. They are hurting and hurting BAD. To deny those Lodges a wonderful opportunity to support the community and organizations like the scouts would be a shame. Again, I support the Boys Scouts USE of Lodge facilities if they so desire.
     
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