Diffusion of York Rite and Scottish Rite across the World

Discussion in 'International Freemasonry' started by Taiuti, Apr 16, 2018.

  1. Taiuti

    Taiuti Registered User

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    Dear Brothers,
    I have some questions about York and Scottish Rite, if you can help me: I'm writing from Italy and members of both rites in subject usually express to me quite the same symmetrical statements:

    - We are absolutely the most widespread rite in the world;
    - Our Rite derives from traditions that precede UGLE constitution in 1717 (York from the Ancients, Scottish from the older Scotland freemasonry);
    - The *other one* is a later creation from the United States (York from the US military lodges that spread across Europe, Scottish that developed in US);
    - We represent the most ancient, esoteric interpretation of traditional Freemasonry.

    Any brothers that I talked to appear very sincere and proud of the Rite they belong to, but that's a bit confusing for me!

    I give you my T ∴ F ∴ A ∴ (Triplice Fraterno Abbraccio, that in italian means Triple Fraternal Hug)
     
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  2. JamestheJust

    JamestheJust Registered User

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    Most histories of Freemasonry track recognizable lodge organizations related to stone masonry. Freemasonry may also have existed in other structures, for example those more suited to the fabled Masonic Science.

    A few studies have followed the ritual back to earlier times. For example the Australian aborigines have (or at least had) a ritual with white wands forming an arch through which the candidate entered. The same ritual structure still exists in some forms of the Holy Royal Arch. For example the Mithraic lodge structure bears a close relationship with Freemasonry including 3 working tools per degree.

    Tracking ritual origins requires a lifetime of deep study and experience.

    And very few studies have followed the purpose of Freemasonry back to ancient times. For example the founders of China are shown holding the Square and Compasses.
     
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  3. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    You're going to get this from anyone who has bought into the script they were handed by the organization. They either don't know any better OR they are maintaining their role played character in the hopes they will win over more members. Either way, they are toeing the party line and will continue to do so to support the organization's needs.
     
  4. hfmm97

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    Taiuti - Are you a Masonic brother (Lei é fratello massonico?)

    I took Italian at university in the USA 30 years ago all I can do now is read it and the last time I tried to help a brother he got upset due to language differences.
    This is an English speaking forum based in Texas - I don’t know if we can help you due to language differences I think you would get more help from your local Italian Brothers particularly those that are mason history scholars

    Buona Fortuna (Good luck)


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  5. Taiuti

    Taiuti Registered User

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    So nice answer brother :) my compliments for your ability in my beautiful and hard language! I'm an Entered Apprentice of Grand Orient of Italy.

    I hope to meet you here in Florence or in your proud state!

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  6. hfmm97

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    I appreciate your enthusiasm for the history and rites of Freemasonry. Most of the brothers who study such topics have been Master Masons for many years to study such advanced topics.
    Focus on the work that you need to do to complete your EA - these advanced studies would distract you from your primary goal of being a Master Mason...
    I have been a Master Mason for over 20 years and have much interest in history and philosophy of Masonry but I started after I had 5 years as a Master Mason.


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  7. hfmm97

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    By the way, when I was much stronger in the very beautiful Italian language, I visited Rome in 1996-most beautiful Eternal City (Città Eterna) love to go back as soon as possible. I hope one day to visit your most Honorable and Respectable orient - buona fortuna mio fratello massonico! E buona sera di Texas!


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  8. Taiuti

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    Buona Fortuna a te Fratellone, Good Luck Big Brother!

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  9. Taiuti

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    Dear Brother, your advice is very wise and I will observe it, thank you.
    I ask that question because in recent Grand Lodge meeting in Rimini of Grand Orient of Italy, I met many Master Masons brothers belonging to different Rites, that gave me precious suggestions and teachings, applicable to my grade.

    Anyway, I would like to share withyku that long list of Rites that we have in Italy!

    - Scottish Rite
    - York Rite
    - Memphis and Misraim Rite
    - Ancient Primal Noah's Rite
    - Italian Symbolic Rite
    And 10-12 more!

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  10. hfmm97

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    I myself tried to study Freemasonry well before the world wide web (like the 1980s) and just got confused. I did not become initiated until 1996.

    I recommend, brother that you tell these brothers that want to discuss these advanced topics with you to thank them, but say that you are just beginning your journey in Masonry and want to go step by step - we all have to walk before we can run.


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  11. vinceatwork

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    To Brother Taiuti:

    There is a very instructive book on the confusing situation in Italy: “Nuovi Fratelli, Storia e Segreti della Massoneria da Tangentopoli alle Inchieste P3 e P4” – By Dino Arrigo, Lit Edizioni Srl, 2013.

    As for the origins of (esoteric) Masonry, going far beyond 1717, there is a booklet by Frank H. Higgins, published in New York, 1916:

    http://www.freemasonryresearchforumqsa.com/higgins-beginningofmasonry.php
     
  12. hfmm97

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    Vinceatwork - This appears to be about the P2 irregular lodge scandal - this is not something that Bro Taiuti as an EA needs to concern himself with right now.

    Bro Taiuti this book “New Brothers History and Stories of Masonry of Tangentopoli(?) P3 & P4 surveys(?) “ assuming this is a more or less correct translation
    Mi piacere la frase italiana ed e vero traduttore e traditore (translator is a traitor) there were some organizations that FALSELY CLAIMED to be Masons in Italy that created a huge banking scandal - don’t waste your time with this right now


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  13. vinceatwork

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    To: Bro. Taiuti (GOI)

    Yes, perhaps Bro. Tony Flores (hfmm93) has a point: Unless you have unlimited time, as an Entered Apprentice, you should devote your time to the study of the (200 pages) manual “L’Appendista Libero Muratore” by Luigi Troisi, Bastogi Libri 2014.
     
  14. Warrior1256

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    Interesting subject since I belong to both Rites.
     
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  15. hfmm97

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    Here in Texas, as I would assume for most of the rest of the USA/Canada, that EA/FC/MM studies are not about researching Masonic history and philosophy since they’re too busy focusing on the work they need to do for their degrees.


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  16. hfmm97

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    It seems that there is more of a focus on research in European Masonic lodges to advance to Master Mason - someone please confirm this - I just wouldn’t expect EA Masons to be doing research so early in their Masonic career


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  17. Mike Martin

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    OOOPS!

    The Grand Lodge of All England at York (1725 - 1734) actually practised exactly the same Ceremonies and Degrees as the Premier Grand Lodge in London, this is because the extra degrees didn't actually exist at that point in time. The Degrees making up the York Rite were invented at several points in time but had coalesced into a "Rite" and were practised by the handful of Lodges under the Grand Lodge of All England at York at its second incarnation (1762 - 1792). When the Grand Lodge at York died out in 1792 the last members took the "Rite" to America where it proved to be as successful as the French made "Scottish Rite" was and so it still exists but over here is usually known as the American Rite because there were only about 10 Lodges that ever practised it in England.
     
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  18. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

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    Very interesting Brother.
    Cool!
     
  19. SørenSweR(I)

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    All grand lodges of the Swedish Rite have their own dedicated research lodge on the national levels
     
  20. Taiuti

    Taiuti Registered User

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    Sorry for late answer, I didn't see the notificatons, I have the first book :) it was hard to find!

    Your second link is so beautiful! Thank you very much I started reading just after finding your link
     

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