forget-me-not

Discussion in 'The Refreshment Lounge' started by BEDickey, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. BEDickey

    BEDickey Premium Member

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    Brothers, a question ways upon my soul, and I wish to share it but I'm not sure of this is the right forum, so feel free to move it if needed.

    As some of you know, and some don't, the blue "forget-me-not" was claimed to be adopted by German Freemasons during WW2 to identify themselves to each other in times of darkness. As most "anti-masons" choose to forget, Freemasons are always some of the first to be oppressed due to our love of rights and freedom, as such M. P. Hall correctly labeled freemasonry the final bulwark against the infringement of our civil liberties. I bring this up as I believe we should "forget-us-not" the conditions that lead to such oppression. With the passage of the NDAA in its current language, experts around the country have pointed out that it bares a strong resemblance to laws passed by Nazi Germany. Combined with things such as the MIAC report on domestic terrorism one could see why such fears are justified. So brothers I put the question to you, what do you think the future holds for us? Do these things worry you as they do me? "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."
     
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  2. BEDickey

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    I felt it appropriate to add a few links to back up my claims.

    The German Enabling act of 1933
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933

    The Missouri Information Analysis Center Report on Modern Militia Movements (claims such as supporters of 3rd party candidates, having a Christian Ideology, Flying a Gadsden Flag, among other things as identifying possible terrorists.)
    http://www.constitution.org/abus/le/miac-strategic-report.pdf

    News reports on the current National Defense Authorization Act of 2012. (allows indefinite detention of anyone, including American citizens, with out trial, on suspision of them being a "terrorist". see above link.)
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...-detain-americans-indefinitely_n_1119473.html
    http://theopenglobe.org/wiki/US_Sen...ld_allow_military_to_detain_anyone_on_US_soil
    The text of the bill
    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540rh/pdf/BILLS-112hr1540rh.pdf

    And a reminder, the government has been caught calling Our Brothers, the Founding Fathers, terrorists. Here is a video of it. If our Brothers in the past have been called terrorists, what does that say of us in this day and age, those who will defend the same principles our Brothers begged, and pleaded, and in the end had to fight for. This man talking in this video is a FEMA agent.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPg9MdN9Gio
     
  3. LukeD

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    From my experience, and this is mainly from being in the military for the last 13 years, I'm more concerned with the amount of countries, groups, and people who would like nothing more than to wipe us off the face of the Earth. The balance between national security and individual freedoms are never equal, and someone is always unhappy with the current situation or policies. I hope before the scales tip too far to one side, corrections can be peacefully made. History has shown this is not always the case, and history has a way of repeating itself.
     
  4. Brent Heilman

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    What I find ironic in the Missouri report is that the Navy went back to the First Navy Jack with the stretched out snake. Do these people not know this? If I am to believe what this report is saying then the US Navy is part of a militia.
     
  5. BEDickey

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    That is a really good question, but I don't have an answer to that one. I'm willing to bet the person who can answer that question, can answer why returning veterans are classified as a potential terror threat, along with gun rights advocates and people who believe in a smaller government. Lumped right in there with Neo-Nazis and other groups. I really wish this was some kind of sick joke, but alas it is not.

    http://americaswatchtower.com/2009/...ng-us-veterans-as-potential-terrorist-threat/
    http://vetxprs.org/VetTerrorThreat.html

    and stealing the Death Benefits of our fallen brothers and sisters serving our country.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-...ash-payout-as-life-insurers-boost-profit.html
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/14/va-made-secret-deal-with-_n_716013.html

    I want our Brother Veterans to know, and everyone for that matter, I realize this information is a tough pill to swallow. But we can not pretend it has not been said, and distributed nationwide. We can not bury our head in the Dark of the sand, we must keep our eyes to the Light and learn from it, what ever the answer the Light may lead us to.

    Brother LukeD, I respect your opinion. I feel, as these articles point out, some of these threats are pure bull-butter. I feel it is always better to err on the side of liberty then other wise. I merely invoke our Brother,a much smarter man then I, Right Worshipful Benjamin Franklin.

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety and shall lose both."


    This quote from possible Brother James Madison also bares some relevance as well, I believe.

    "Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. … No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
     
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  6. cog41

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    Bro Dickey you are right in that we should pay close attention to such matters. Very close attention.I also argee with Bro Luke that there are those who would love nothing more than to wipe us off the face of the earth. But most of those ambitous countries and folks know that the easiest way to achieve that is from within.
    I'm no conspiracy follower but I do believe there are those in power who want to "fundamentally" change our great republic.
     
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  7. Brent Heilman

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    Bro. Luke, indeed you are right about history. It does repeat itself and those that do not heed the lessons and warnings from the past are destined to repeat the hardest of all lessons. Look at the German invasion of Russia during WWII. Sometimes I feel that some entities in the government take some of the "threats" a little too far. Yes there are radical groups in this country that want to see it burn. I believe however that there are a greater and vastly more determined groups that want to see it thrive. Some of these reports are taken to the extreme and provide little to no detail as to how they reached the conclusion they did. I do find it absurd that in these reports they say that if you fly a certain flag or hold to a certain ideal that you are a threat. Just because I fly a Navy Jack doesn't mean I'm a militia member. It is just my way of honoring my friends in the Navy, my service in the Navy, and the Navy itself. My flag pole can only hold a certain amount of flags so I can't fly the Ensign, the Navy flag, and the Jack along with anything else. It is much easier to fly the Ensign and the Jack just like we did on the ship. Anyways, there will always be reports like this and I think they will continue to be just as absurd in aspects, but we shouldn't just write them off as fantasy either. I do believe however that no matter what may happen in the future this country will continue on and will still be the best place on Earth to live.
     

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