How do we recognize Freemasonry that has come through another culture?

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  1. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

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    Yes!
     
  2. JamestheJust

    JamestheJust Registered User

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    If we could use the "working tools" in a "moral sense" we could test whether that statement is true.

    For those interested in researching the question, it may be useful to start with Freemasonry and the Ancient Gods

    http://www.iapsop.com/ssoc/1921__ward___freemasonry_and_the_ancient_gods.pdf

    Churchward is also good: The Origin and Evolution of Freemasonry: Connected with the Origin and Evolution of the Human Race

    http://www.cedarcitylodge.org/books/origin_and_evolution.pdf
     
  3. NY.Light.II

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    Could you elaborate on the last three examples you cite - Mithraic, Egyptian, and Sufi (probably better suited for a PM)?

    Also, to really drive at the heart of the question: what if aliens landed in D.C. Tomorrow, and stepped out in Masonic aprons??
     
  4. Warrior1256

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    Huh!!! Well.......
     
  5. NY.Light.II

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    Brothers?

    Or tentactly clandestine squidlords?
     
  6. Elexir

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    Most likley they would be seen as clandestine but no matter what most likley would be considerd unrecognized.
     
  7. Brother JC

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    "Clandestine" is a matter of perspective... perhaps they come seeking recognition, or they might consider us clandestine and are coming to shut us down.
     
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  8. JamestheJust

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    As we see, Freemasonry may claim to be universal, but in practice we prefer to restrict brotherhood to those that look like us, have similar ritual, and have already been vouched for.
     
  9. JamestheJust

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    In the Sufi tradition there are 99 known names of God and the 100th is secret (lost?). The letter Q has numerical value of 100, when rotated 90 degrees and the dots removed looks like a G.

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  10. Elexir

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    My GL has a text stating that you dont have to be a freemason to practice masonry.
     
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  11. JamestheJust

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    So how do we recognize true brethren?
     
  12. Ripcord22A

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    By a dues card or patent/gl cert from some GL that is in amenity with your GL.

    Sent from my LG-H918 using My Freemasonry mobile app
     
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  13. JJones

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    This.

    Freemasonry has a foundation which is rooted in some very common sense ideas and universal truths. This doesn't mean that any other organization that practices these truths is practicing Freemasonry. Practicing masonic ideas and morality doesn't make you a Freemason unless you are also a member of a regular Grand Lodge.

    I get the premise behind this thread, really, I do, but based on this mentality then learning how to build a good campfire would make me a Boyscout.

    There are great men who are not members of our fraternity and they never will be Freemasons until they join a regular Grand Lodge.
     
  14. Warrior1256

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    Yep!
     
  15. Bro CN

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    And the English themselves acknowledge that the Craft was imported from Ancient Egypt during the reign of King Athelstan. Please refer to the Halliwell Manuscript.
     
  16. Elexir

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    And other fraternitys have other ledgends regarding its orgin.
    It dont make it true.
    I have been in another order wich in ritual and ledgend claims orgin in the knights templar but have a completly diffrent orgin.
    Ive heard of atleast one other orders orgin story wich is completly fabricated.
     
  17. Bro CN

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    You might have missed my point there. He was claiming that there is zero evidence of the antiquity of Freemasonry except that of the English isles. I in turn presented that evidence in the form of the Halliwell Manuscript which was drafted by the English themselves stating that the Craft originated in Ancient Egypt. The English do not claim ownership to the Craft.

    With regards to legends from orders that you're part of, I'm afraid I cannot comment on that. However if you have EVIDENCE which you wish to present here pertaining to the origin of the Craft, please submit it here so we can all evaluate it.
     
  18. Elexir

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    My point is that any manuscript wich contains ledgends is NOT evidence in itself. But as its you who claims that its the undisputed evidence the burden of proof is upon you. You have to present evidence why its true.
     
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  19. Bro CN

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    If I may ask, where is the evidence supporting your claim that the Halliwell Manuscript contains a legend of the craft's origin?
     
  20. Elexir

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    Most scholars have given ample evidence.
    Its you who are going against the opinion of most people who has to provide evidence that the Haliwel manuscript contains anything other then ledgend.
     
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