illuminati

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by JustinScott, Sep 17, 2012.

  1. JustinScott

    JustinScott Premium Member

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    I was just wondering some kid in class make some kind of freemasons sly comment in class when I mentioned 9 signed the decoration and 10 signed the constitution I was just curious what the conspiracy actually is
     
  2. Brent Heilman

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    That is the one that some of the conspiracy guys like to put out there over how we, as Masons, are trying to take over the world. Pretty much bogus.
     
  3. jvarnell

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    the illuminati was a group of indivuals in Bavaria that was trying to do the same thing the American revolution and French revolution in Bavaria. They recruited a lot of Freemasons. Alot of stuff happened that you can read about in history books but the conspiracy theories still see Freemason tied. Also the word illuminati means enlightenment which is really knowledge.

    Freemasons are not the illuminati, but some Freemason were recruited in 1776.

    The problem is that there is no way to rebute anything because you look like you are definding it.
     
  4. JJones

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    Several of our founding fathers were Freemasons, but it didn't have anything to do with world domination.

    Some people believe the image on the back of a two dollar bill depicts an open lodge. (Notice only one man is wearing a hat)

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    But I don't know about that.

    I love a good conspiracy as much as anybody else but I'm of the firm belief the Illuminati died out quite some time ago. Ofcourse, if you try to convince a rabid conspiracy theorist that Masons aren't up to anything then you'll get informed that you just don't know because you aren't a 33rd degree Mason. It's interesting to note that when a 33rd degree Mason says the same thing that he'll just get flatly told he's a liar. ;)
     
  5. JustinScott

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    I am not defending anything I just simply didn't know what he was taking about. I just knew he was full of it when he went on to say tha t Freemasons are cannibals and drink goats blood while making sacrifice
     
  6. Brother Joe

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    I get tired of hearing some response regarding the Illuminati when people find out I'm a Mason. Mason's have gotten blamed for so much throughout history its amazing.
     
  7. widows son

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    I myself am a young mason and I used to think that the masons were up to no good and threat they are part of a secret cabal or something but then I read a few books and watched a few videos made by masons and my opinion changed, freemasonry is the oldest fraternity and many others have tried to use its structure in their own systems such as the illuminati, only because the structure and organization of freemasonry has been successful and stood the test of time. There has been many groups with the name illuminati, look up a man by the name of Adam Weishaupt, he led the most recent organization called the illuminati, and the same group your fellow mentioned about the signer of the declaration of independance
     
  8. SeeKer.mm

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    I'll say, the fact that only one man is wearing a hat is a bit of a brow raiser, however, when I look at the picture, it doesn't look any lodge I have been in, but of course, that picture depicts a totally different era so I can't b sure. I know if it was today, I would have to say NAAAAAAH...just the fact that everyone's back is turned to the guy with the hat, and some other details that I either see or don't see.
     
  9. SeeKer.mm

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    I don't think JVarnell meant you in the literal sense of the word meaning JustinScott, but I think he meant that when one attempts rebuttal of such claims, the perception is one of going on the defensive, so it's pretty pointless to argue with people who have already made up or closed their mind.

    Besides the human flesh was tough, and the goats blood a bit too coagulated for my taste so I had to pass :)
     
  10. jvarnell

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    Sorry i did not mean it in that way. If anyone try's to rebute anything that is untrue it looks like they are trying to defind it.
     
  11. jvarnell

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    Yes thank you for explaning it beter than I.
     
  12. JJones

    JJones Moderator Staff Member

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    It's just a little something I was shown when I first joined. Now that I'm a bit older and (hopefully) wiser I'm not so convinced either.

    For one, I don't see any aprons. :p
     
  13. JustinScott

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    It is funny you mention him because he is one of the people that I have stumbled across on line. But form what I can tell that the real original group died off in the 1700 and never made it to america. I also found the original reason for the group was to hide scientific advances that they found because of all the religious ridicule that was cast over science at the time. Over the years just got a bad name. It just seems like anyone will make up anything these days to see what people will be believe.
     
  14. JustinScott

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    That was my fault I should have read it closer before responding but I understand your point and I agree 100%. And once again thank you SeeKer.mm for clarifying
     
  15. Michael Hatley

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    If you look for any pattern with a conclusion made you will always find it. The goes for physics, cracks in the sidewalk, the clouds, conspiracies.

    People I don't know who go on about the illuminati I don't even bother with responding to. I smile and talk about sports as soon as they are done talking, which is all they really wanted to do anyway.

    The handful of people who I knew and were curious I pointed them to the Illuminatis trilogy by Shea/Wilson. None of them have made it through it, probably because the truth is that conspiracy nuts don't do a whole lot of reading outside of goofy websites or puerile Dan Brown novels.

    But if they did make it through the books, or at least the first one, I'd see if they started seeing the fnords. That is, of course, required, if they are going to be able to navigate the high politics of the discordians and be able to properly crew the yellow submarine.

    In short, conspiracy theorists are mostly goofballs. Come to any lodge and have dinner with the fellas. I love my brothers, if they are ruling the world then I am Batman for a true fact.
     
  16. JustinScott

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    Amen to that!


     

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