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  1. Daniele

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    Naturally if some brother for vacation and visit went to Catania Sicily, I would be honored to know him and invite him to my little lodge.

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  2. Howard Giang

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    Hi Daniele, that is very nice of you to want to have interaction with another Freemasons. I am not yet a Freemason; however if I were a Mason, I would be cautioned on meeting anyone unless he can be verified. Again, I never thought of Masonry is disliked to many people when I searched for answers to various accusations especially from betrayal of ex-Masons that held very high degrees like 32 to 90. It kind of discouraging for me to petition to join from a perspective of benefits-cost ratio. There are benefits and liabilities for me to be considered. Will benefits out weigh liabilities just for mostly in the interest of spiritual path toward salvation? I am pondering on that (should I embark on this journey) almost everyday.
     
  3. goomba

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    Be very skeptical of those claiming degrees above 32. Also be very skeptical of those who are obsessed with degree numbers and use it as proof of anything.
     
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  4. CLewey44

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    Bill Schnoebelen is likely who this "32-90 degree Mason" that is mentioned. He is a clown that joined about every single religion or group at some time and claims to be the highest ranking in all of them before finding Jesus. Maybe he did find a stable religious system but he also likes to talk about it a lot to be so ashamed of it. From my findings, the least thing he was of all the 'hats' he wore was a Freemason. He was way more into vampire, Satanism, witchcraft etc.
     
  5. Howard Giang

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    Hi Goomba, I tend to be skeptical and dismissed all if no most of non-Mason accusations or allegations. However, it is difficult to dismiss someone who was a former member with higher degrees of knowledge especially they quoted straight out from Holy Scriptures which I am not a Christian or theologian, so I am lacking of knowledge and interpretation to dismiss but rather er on caution.
     
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  7. Howard Giang

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    Hi CLewey44,
    I recalled that I watched one of his YouTube videos. Dr. Bill S. was one of the ex-Masons. He appeared to be very knowledgeable of what he revealed. His achievements are remarkable, and I had to admit I am impressed and admired his accomplishments; however I was upset about one of his allegations that Freemasons sexually abused children at home and in Lodge. He explained why and support his claims. I was kind of skeptical at first, but what if he was telling the truth since Freemasonry is not protesting to that. It is a crime against children. It bad on many levels; however, I also doubt his claims by questioning my own intellectual reasoning of like why children are needed to be in the Lodge. On the other hand, I cannot argue against his allegations because I would not know what is going on at a Freemason’s home. I thought Freemason’s goal is to be virtue and moral by performing good works and charitable that can be redeemed toward salvation.
     
  8. Howard Giang

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    Thanks Goomba for the information. I have to say wow! He was introduced as a doctor Schnoebelen on his YouTube videos. It is interesting that he can gather information and present quite well. I was some what believed him. Okay, let’s say, if his accomplishments were exaggerated, then were his information are still be corrected?
    Another words, could there be someone (they) had accomplished those knowledge and credentials and passing those information along to him? Is that a possibility? He just absorbed those information and made them his own. If he is accused of being a liar then I don’t know who can be truthful anymore since everyone can lie. I think a lot of people thought he was sincere and truthful.
     
  9. goomba

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  10. Howard Giang

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    Well, I should not have said I am no longer believe in anyone. It will hard to function if I don’t trust anyone anymore. Yes, after I evaluated the information from the link that you provided, I am more bold on convincing information now than ever. Thanks for providing the link. It does make sense that it is impossible to achieve and be involved in so many organizations and school within a short period of time. It is kind of like saying a person can become a physician, a lawyer, and an engineer in about 10 years. I was interested in his information instead of his credentials, so I thought he is an expert like a college professor.
    How about another ex-Mason also from Wisconsin- a 32-degree? I think his name is John. Is he truthful? He information kind of inline with Bill.
     
  11. Glen Cook

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    You give too much credence to the 32 degree. In the US, it can be obtained by sitting through a few days (or less) of the degrees. Depending on timing, it can be accomplished within four months of being initiated. Indeed, I did so.

    To borrow from another post, be sceptical of those who claim status based on degree numbers.
     
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  12. goomba

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    Those people who claim degrees are rank forget about us poor York Rite guys. I mean we don't number ours. Are we even important?

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  13. Howard Giang

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    Thanks judge Cook,
    Since obtaining 32 degrees can be done as a few days to 4 months, is it possible that Bill S. was able to achieve what he claimed? I am confused. He even said that “low degrees are there to be spiritual drained and Masonry took a lot of money out of them” or something like that. I am not yet a Mason, so I would not know how high or low status of degree works.
     
  14. Howard Giang

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    I don’t know because I am not yet a Mason; however, I think degree must have some kind of important. For example, John S. said “every Shriner is a Master Mason, but every MM is not a Shriner” I am paraphrasing of something like that.
    From a non-Mason point of view, a higher degree can be that this person had obtained more knowledge from the Bible and more experience in performing rituals and rites that can be considered like a senior of a Lodge.
     
  15. Glen Cook

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    The Shrine imparts no Masonic knowledge. None. It doesn’t quote from the Bible.
    The AASR only makes limited reference to the Bible in the US. It does survey a variety of philosophies and religious teachings.
    As you note, you are coming from a non Mason view.
     
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  16. CLewey44

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    Howard, you say that you are not a mason "yet". If you have these sort of doubts about child molestation, animal sacrifice, 99 degrees or whatever, and I've told others this before, then I would highly suggest that Freemasonry is probably NOT for you. I think you've romanticized it in some sort of macabre way that it's a mixture of Eyes Wide Shut and an Anton LaVey spiritual conference.
     
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  17. Howard Giang

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    When I referred to the Bible, I was referring to KJV Masonic Bible not a Christian Bible. I am not a devoted Christian. I have not really read from page to page from the Old or New Testiment Christian Bible but only checking referencing sources and verses.
    I like the concept of “survey a variety of philosophies and religious teachings” as it might fit well for me. My philosophy and beliefs in Devine Plans and Devine Outcomes are inclusive not exclusive.
     
  18. Howard Giang

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    CLewey44, in fact, you are wrong about me. I don’t believe Masonry practices child abuse anywhere, so I said I was upset at Bill when he made that accusation to Masonry even though I am not a Mason.
    I am not a baptized Christian that might be considered incompatible with Freemasonry. While I was searching for information to dismiss certain allegations against Masonry, I found that Caidaism religion was founded based on Masonic teachings just like other religions. The founders of Caodaism were Freemasons from the Grand Lodge of the Philippine. They were recruited from French during the late 1800s. The interesting part is that the founders were Roman Catholic before Caodaism was formed. Most Vietnamese are R.C. Anyhow, Caodai has more than 2M members and is growing. I consider myself a Taoism but not traditional Taoism. A devoted Taoism would suggest that I have not practiced Taoism correctly, and I would agree.
    If you think Freemasonry is not right for me then you entitled to your opinion. We differ on that.
     
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  20. CLewey44

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    You can be a Taoist and be a Mason for sure. It's certainly not limited, in my view, to Christianity, Islam and Judaism.
     

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