lodge ritual exams

Discussion in 'The Voting Booth' started by david918, Jan 16, 2009.

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lodge exams

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  2. 75%

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  3. 50%

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  4. 25% or less

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  1. david918

    david918 Premium Member

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    I know a lot of brothers here think the ritual is very important.I was just wondering what percentage of the members of your lodge could pass one of the exams(EA,FC,or MM)?

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    25% or less
     
  2. jonesvilletexas

    jonesvilletexas Premium Member

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    Can you give more information my brother?
     
  3. david918

    david918 Premium Member

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    I was just wondering how many members of your lodge could pass all 3 exams today.In both of my lodges it would probably only be 4 members the 4 who hold certificates.The other 98% could not pass one today including my self.I could get most of it but not enough that if I was voting on it I would consider it a passing exam.I was just wondering why it's so important to so few members.
     
  4. Wingnut

    Wingnut Premium Member

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    I was only counting active Masons, not our members...
     
  5. js4253

    js4253 Premium Member Premium Member

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    If I don't stay on top of it, I tend to loose it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has that problem.
     
  6. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

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    OUCH! ;)

    Bro. David- I assume you're referring to the trial lectures? The ones all of us supposedly learned at one time or another?
     
  7. Bro. Stewart P.M.

    Bro. Stewart P.M. Lead Moderator Emeritus Staff Member

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    I am going to say that 50% of our active members could pass the certificate exams in all three degrees. For us it might be a little easier than most since we meet twice a week every week of the year.

    On a side note: Wingnut, I believe that I have been in your lodge room. I was at the YR Festival held there late last year. Ya'll have a lot of stairs to climb!
     
  8. Wingnut

    Wingnut Premium Member

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    If you got tired going up stairs you were at our lodge! It will wear you out!
     
  9. david918

    david918 Premium Member

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    Yep the ones we spent hours learning and then forgot;)
     
  10. cale

    cale Registered User

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    hey john want to practice tomorrow? Monday, is so let me kenow what time would be good.
     
  11. LRG

    LRG Premium Member

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    i learned straight answers, now i get the pleasure of learning the questions as well
     
  12. LRG

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    Bro. David i doubt that, you're pretty darn good
     
  13. RogerI

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    I think the fraternity now spends too much effort in getting the Lodges to be word perfect. To the point that we have lost what Freemasonry is all about. What do we as Masons do? We talk about the hospitals and the widows and orphans, but these we all started before many of us were born. What do WE do. Give a token donation to the hopital? What is your Lodge doing for for your community? Giving a $500 scholarship to a graduating Senior? Is your Lodge making a differnce or just getting the words right?

    Roger
     
  14. jonesvilletexas

    jonesvilletexas Premium Member

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    Roger, how well do you know your work? LOL
     
  15. rhitland

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    The machine of Masonry has many facets to making it work properly and getting the words right is just a portion of our duties as Mason along with charity and others. The duty of a speculative Mason is laid out in the FC lecture (the long version anyway) and the only thing we perfom externally is charity work, the rest is done internally and has nothing to do with anybody but yourself. Subdue the passion, act upon the square, keep a tongue of good report, maintain secrecy and practice charity. 4 out of the 5 parts of speculative Masonry are internal and to me if learned properly charity is a natural by-product of the first 4. So if we plan to act upon the square, keep a tongue of good report or subdue passions with a Maosnic temperment we must learn the lesson for ourselves in the memory work; and to properly maintain secrecy should you not know what your keeping secrect. In my opinion this is Masonry's problem in a nut-shell, if we all looked internally and DID what we felt was right for Masonry things would change but we spend to much time on the external and point fingers as if our solution is the ONE. If you feel charity is important recruit members of your Lodge and friends and start something charitable I promise it will be hard work and long hours you feel you do not have but blessing will abound you and time will stand still. If you feel ritual work is important go get your A cert and perform the rituals with heart so wehn you run into another ritualist being born he will be encourage by your efforts. Most important of all is to not get sucked into negative conversations or tricked into thinking someone is drestroying Masonry with there lack of intrest in your solutions or ideas. YOU are responsible for Masonry and the way it is headed so step up or shut up.
     
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2009
  16. 4thgenPM

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    The question here is what would you consider "passing?" It is important to note that "proficient" is not a synonym for "perfect." In fact, I have never seen the work done perfectly by anyone...even members of the Committee on Work (see MM exemplification at GL2008 for prime example).

    This is why this decision is up to the Lodge individually. What would be deemed proficient in one of my Lodges would probably not be in the other two. The difference is the availability of competent instructors as well as the mentality of the Lodges themselves. Each Lodge makes that determination based on their circumstances and those of the Brother being examined.

    Christian D. Moore, PM
     
  17. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

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    Bro. Christian,

    What I (speaking solely for my self & not my Lodge(s), the Grand Lodge, or other Brethren) consider "proficiency" to be, is that the Brother being examined gets through the work without having to be prompted excessively and that he obviously understands the lessons which we are trying to teach by means of the work. I DO hold those who will go on to teach the work to others to a higher standard. YMMV.
     
  18. LRG

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    Brethren
    With Our Almightys Will we should conquer both ( community work and prof. work ) may we keep setting great examples for those now and those to come.
    GOD Speed to us
     
  19. Linduff

    Linduff Registered User

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    What if we changed the system

    D = open and close all 4 Lodges
    C = EA questions and answers and lectures
    B - FC "
    A = MM "

    Just a thought.

    Ben:D

     
  20. 4thgenPM

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    Bro. Bill,

    Sounds like you and I are on the same page. I'd rather the Brother understand the meaning of what he's saying and TRY to get the wording right than focus on getting the words perfect and not have a clue about the lessons being taught. Instructors should be held to a higher standard...and further, the examination is not the time to teach or ridicule the Brother who is already nervous enough. If he misses a word, work on it later...not in open Lodge.

    Christian D. Moore, PM
     

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