Major victory for Army warrior questioning Obama's birthplace

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  1. Blake Bowden

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    this may be a dangerous precedent being set...
     
  3. Leomarth

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    Isn't he actually taking orders from his unit commander?

    And I wonder if this is some Klinger-esqe attempt at staying out of the fighting? Or does he actually believe this is a possibility?
     
  4. Blake Bowden

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    From what I've read, Obama has refused to provide his Birth certificate.
     
  5. Wingnut

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    Thats true, Obama has refused to release the long form birth certificate.

    However, a soldier questioning orders is a very bad precedent to set! More especially by taking it to court!!! Imagine the outcome of an officer/NCO NOT following an order! ("attack the right flank now so the left flank can move up"!!! Hummm Capt. Im not sure thats a good order blah blah blah blah... Why thank you LT you just got the entire company on the left flank killed because you didnt do what you were told)

    Military members are supposed to be neutral when it comes to politics. It obviously isnt being enforced like it used to be judging by the number of military members I see at campaign rallies in uniform. Giving the impression that the military backs one party or leader over another is a slippery slope and illegal under federal statue and The Uniform Code of Military Justice.
     
  6. Leomarth

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    Well, the person in charge of the Department of Health in Hawaii verified it. By law, nobody is required to release it. And quite honestly, I'd be shocked if he did. There is too much that can be done with a birth certificate to make it safe.

    Did Bush have to release such sensitive information? Clinton? Reagan? Carter? And that's not rhetorical. I'm in the dark about if they had to release it.

    But if you really want to get technical, McCain would not have been eligible either. He was born on land in Panama that later became an American base, but it wasn't at the time. So he, technically, was born in Panama.
     
  7. Bill Lins

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    There was never any question about Bush's or any of the others' citizenship status.

    Not so. Although he was not born on American soil, McCain's parents were both American citizens, plus his father was a naval officer. No question about his status, either.
     
  8. Leomarth

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    This may make me slightly unpopular, but in general the people who do question it seem to be sore losers, raging at their last hopes of keeping Obama out of office.

    I don't like the man's policies. I think he's leading the country in the wrong direction, especially with the government taking stock in companies. But, when the director of DoH in Hawaii says his birth certificate is legit, I'm likely to believe him. Unless, for some reason, he's in on some huge worldwide conspiracy.
     
  9. Blake Bowden

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    Blame the Freemasons! They're trying to take over the world!!! :D:D:D
     
  10. js4253

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    I had to provide my birth certificate to play little league baseball. Can you imagine?
     
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  11. Bill Lins

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    Why, when all they have to do is make a righteous document public? Why let things fester? Seems pretty stupid to me, unless they have no other option.
    YMMV.
     
  12. Leomarth

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    After posting that yesterday, I read that Hawaii isn't legally allowed to make public long form birth certificates. So they'd have to change the state laws from what they are now.

    Now, if that's totally accurate, I don't know. But still, even if I were Obama, I wouldn't release it for privacy reasons.
     
  13. Blake Bowden

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    He shouldn't be forced to disclose, it should be voluntary. I had to provide a copy of my birth certificate just to petition my Lodge. My son had to for school, medical shots and little league. One would think the Pres should cough up his. I see both sides though.
     
  14. Leomarth

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    huh. I didn't have to provide anything to join my lodge. Just my petition. I didn't even have to show my drivers license. And since we homeschooled our kids, the others weren't relevant.

    I wonder how common it is that you need your birth certificate to join a lodge? Or how common it is that you need nothing?
     
  15. Blake Bowden

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    Yep, cant accept a petition without one.
     
  17. Bill Lins

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    I don't feel that it's up to the State of Hawaii to make the document public- I think Obama should do it just to put the matter to rest.

    I don't understand your concern with his privacy. Not only is he no longer (by choice) a private person, but is there anyone on the planet who doesn't already know that he's the President and what the names of his parents were?
     
  18. Leomarth

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    I don't think it's even up to Obama. If the law says the long form document can't be released, then he's also bound by law. He is the President, and while it may seem the President is above the law, or makes the law, that just isn't how it goes.

    And I don't ever buy the line that he's no longer a private person. He has a job, yes. But he also still has a private life. And I don't know all the in's and out's of what can be done with a birth certificate, or the information on it. But I do know it's often abused by criminals, and it's never a good idea to release it. I know I wouldn't go about giving mine to anyone who wanted it.

    I think the matter is honestly rested. Even if he were to somehow release it, it wouldn't satisfy the people who doubt it right now. I believe they'd then call it some conspiracy involving the state of Hawaii, or that it was a forged document. I don't think there is anything he can do to satisfy the doubters.
     
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  19. Wingnut

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    The law says the STATE cant release, not that the person its for cant. Big difference.
     
  20. Leomarth

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    Can you point to that? From what I have read, the state can't make it available. Which covers to the person, and from the state.
     

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