Mutual Recognition in TX??

Discussion in 'Freemasonry In Texas' started by Jamarr/G\, Oct 30, 2014.

  1. Jamarr/G\

    Jamarr/G\ Registered User

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    Question brothers!
    Does Texas Recognize PHA?
    And is Visitation allowed and mutual?
    MM from TN just moved here to TX and being accepted in a Lodge here now
     
  2. Bro. Stewart P.M.

    Bro. Stewart P.M. Lead Moderator Emeritus Staff Member

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    The Most Worshipful Grand Lodge of Texas A.F.&A.M. does recognize the Most Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Texas P.H.A..

    At this time it is mutual jurisdiction recognition, without visitation privileges.
     
  3. Jamarr/G\

    Jamarr/G\ Registered User

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    Thanks for the info brother. Had to make sure of it. In TN there is no recognition between us at all.
     
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  5. Jamarr/G\

    Jamarr/G\ Registered User

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    I will brother.. I'm hoping for good news and I would love to be able to visit and fellowship with all my brothers.
     
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  6. Bro. Stewart P.M.

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  7. MBC

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    I have a weird logic again brethren.
    If your GL approve mutual GL memberships,
    Can a brother in Texas(no matter "mainstream" or PHA) joins the Internet Lodge no.9659 in UGLE. When becoming a UGLE member, they have the rights to visit other one?
     
  8. crono782

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    You are still required to submit to the laws of your jurisdiction. If you join a lodge under another grand one, that doesn't negate the former. Is that what you're asking?
     
  9. MBC

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    No. I mean that they don't have visitation between both sides of jurisdictions. However, they have visitation granted to UGLE members.

    If you are a PHA Mason, you cannot directly visit to the "mainstream" one.
    And if you have another identity of UGLE Mason, as they granted the right of visit to UGLE masons, then I think you can have the right to visit.

    However I'm not sure in practice. In theoretically it can works I think.

    Sorry for poor grammar and wordings... My brain stop working in weekends.
     
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  10. Brother JC

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    First, a member of the MWPHGLTX is forbidden plural membership, so they can't join 9659. Second is the fore-mentioned jurisdictional issue. All three of my GLs recognize PHTX, but if I tried to visit one of their lodges, I would still risk backlash and possible trial.
     
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  11. MBC

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    Right then, how about GLoTX? Are they forbidden plural membership?
     
  12. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    No, but they are still bound by GLTX law.
     
  13. MBC

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    Weird but respect different jurisdictions.
     
  14. crono782

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    Yah that's what I thought you meant. Basically I was saying that if you hold member ship in two jurisdictions, one which allows visitation and one which does not, the allowed visitation in one does not shield you from the repercussions of breaking the same rule in the other.

    That's the downside of different grand jurisdictions.
     
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  15. Jamarr/G\

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    Well Put bro.
     
  16. dfreybur

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    We allow multiple memberships. I hold membership in California, Illinois and Texas. In MWPHGLofTX there may be options. They have "associate membership" which sounds like different terminology for the same thing. It would be necessary to read their book of constitutions carefully.

    Here we see a mixture of two issues. Recognition among jurisdictions and multiple affiliation rules within a single jurisdiction.
     
  17. Celidonious

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    With great pleasure I say that Texas PHA has unanimously passed a vote for recognition and visitation with Texas AF&AM at this midwinter session. Now it's up to Texas AF&AM to do their part.
     

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