Opening and closing lodge

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by Papatom, Sep 21, 2010.

  1. Papatom

    Papatom Premium Member Premium Member

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    Should the Worshipful Master and both Wardens be able to open and close all four lodges correctly?
     
  2. MacFie

    MacFie Registered User

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    From what I've seen, Masonry always seems to be improving in it's work, even if it isn't always perfect.
     
  3. Bigmel

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    The Worshipful Master and Senior Warden should be able to open and close in all four lodges. The Senior Warden moves to the East if WM is Absent or cannot perform his duties. Even thouugh the Junior Warden does not move forward He should be in learning and know how to open all four Lodges.
     
  4. David Duke

    David Duke Premium Member

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    I would hope all three could open/close a MM, FC and EA with little trouble, the Lodge of Sorrow shouldn't but the double order seems to give a lot of people fits. But to be completely honest I would be pretty satisfied if the WM was proficient in all 4 because I have visited too many lodges where it seem to be a struggle just to get an EA opened and this is with the line officers in place and at mid year.
     
  5. tomasball

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    I imagine you mean by that that if the SW has to serve as Master, the JW doesn't move up. If both Master and SW are gone, the JW would serve as Master, right?

    Tom Ball
    District Instructor 40-A
     
  6. Bro. Stewart P.M.

    Bro. Stewart P.M. Lead Moderator Emeritus Staff Member

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    IMO, these principal officers owe it to the Lodge to which they serve to know the estorical opening & closing of all 4 Lodges. The WM, SW, & JW are elected for a reason and these stations of authority should not simply be "given" out just because.

    You want to lead my Lodge? Show me.
     
  7. Bigmel

    Bigmel Premium Member Premium Member

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    Yes that is what i meant my fingers got on the wrong keys
     
  8. rhitland

    rhitland Founding Member Premium Member

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    Each Lodge to its own I say. If the culture of the lodge demands good open and close they will have it. If they demand good fish fries or fellowship then that is what they get. Each lodge has a culture to itself and sometime the ritual work is not on the same priority ranking as another lodge. I do not believe this makes them any less of a Mason just bad ritualist. Just because it works in one lodge does not mean it will work in another. No matter how bad they are you still see an open and a close and the effort is what counts.
     
  9. Blake Bowden

    Blake Bowden Administrator Staff Member

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    Well said.
     
  10. jonesvilletexas

    jonesvilletexas Premium Member

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    YES, YES,YES. I still can't belive the 101 was voted down.
     
  11. gilv

    gilv Registered User

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    I agree 100%
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2010
  12. jonesvilletexas

    jonesvilletexas Premium Member

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    My EA Brother. Talk to your good brothers at your lodge in a one on one, some talk could have an EA or FC stopped by some brothers, and I for one would not won’t that to happen with you. You state a good point.
     
  13. Dave in Waco

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    I also agree 100% that all 3 should know at least how to open and close in all 4 Lodges. All 3 of those officers in my Lodge can and are getting "C" certificates in about a month.

    People usually do move up in the line of officers which is supposed to be based on them knowing the work and having good leadership qualities. Depending on the Lodge there may be a lack of active talent, which those Lodges should look to recycling some of their past officers. But WM, SW, JW, Sec, and Treasurer are all voted in by the Lodge. Usually, the WM this year will nominate his SW to become WM for the next year. He nominates the JW for SW, and the JW will nominate the SD. A lot of times Sec and Treas are hold overs, and the WM will appoint the other officers usually moving those up who have served well in their position and wish to continue.

    While the WM runs the Lodge during his year, he usually works closely with his SW because he is at the same time training him to take over his chair for the next year. The JW at that time also gets to observe more closely how the Lodge is managed and gets exposed more to the business side of the Lodge and also GL Law. As JW, the GL Law Book becomes your friend, which reminds me that I need to put it on my phone.
     
  14. HKTidwell

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    Brother Tom, me and you have discussed this before. I have a unique perspective on this probably. I'm currently Senior Steward and if it pleases the lodge and WM then I will progress further in the chairs. However if I do not feel like I'm ready to be a JW then I shall at that time withdrawl from progressing further..

    To me a JW better be able to effectively open/close lodge. Chances are at some point in the year he may end up wearing the hat. I happen to think that he should be able to open and close EA, FC, and MM lodge. Don't really care if the JW and SW are able to do a Lodge of Sorrow. I also believe that the JW, SW, and WM should be proficent in the degree work. I use the term proficent and not the term perfect for a reason. Ritual is important to a degree but the best ritualist may be the worst leader. So sometimes there is a fine line. We need to make sure the JW, SW, and WM are truely worthly leaders with a good grasp of the work, and the different lodges.
     
  15. tomasball

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    Anyone who sits in the East needs to be fluent in the ceremonies required for the occasion for several reasons. We come from all walks of life...that's the nature of a lodge...but when the man in the East drops the gavel, whether he's a judge or a janitor, he becomes MASTER. The opening isn't just a formality; it sets the tone for the evening. It focuses our attention on what we're doing. The words we use establish the Master's authority and our duty to him.

    These ceremonies are a two-edged sword. If the Master presides over the opening with confidence and skill, it makes the brethren confident of his right and competence to preside. If he blunders through it, he embarrasses the brethren and makes them question whether he has the commitment to their interests and the mental capacity the job requires. Those impressions, good or ill, are reinforced at every meeting.

    This reasoning will cause a Master to demand similar competency from his officers. A well-performed opening is uplifting to us all, and that feeling is the main reason we come to lodge.

    Finally, competence in the ritual shows that the officers have respect for the brethren and their time. It shows preparation and forethought. Conversely, when the brethren see that the officers are poorly prepared, it tells them that the officers don't value their time and attention as they should. Patience is often a non-renewable resource.

    Tom Ball
    District Instructor 40-A
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2010
  16. gilv

    gilv Registered User

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    Jonesville my brother, I am not understanding your statement. Are you saying that as an EA I may be censored or expelled for expressing my point of view here on anywhere else?
     
  17. rhitland

    rhitland Founding Member Premium Member

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    Why do we need Grand Lodge to police our ritual why can we not handle this at the lodge level?
     
  18. ChrisB

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    What are the four lodges? Because I only know of three, and Im a PHA mason from new York. And I only know ea, fc,mm. Iam also a 7th degree ram. Ok thank you then I do know all four. Next how do I upload a picture?
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2010
  19. rhitland

    rhitland Founding Member Premium Member

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    4th is called Lodge of Sorrow which is required here to perform burials.
     
  20. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

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    Bro. Chris- we consider the MM Lodge of Sorrow to be separate from the usual MM Lodge, thus 4 Lodges.

    WMPB- the problem is that the Lodges have not done a very good job of policing the ritual. Ask any Brother who has been around for 20 or 25 years or so- they'll tell you how badly the quality of the ritual has declined.

    To add to what Bro. Ball posted, I feel that a Lodge officer should have enough pride in himself as an officer and enough consideration for his Brethren & Lodge to make himself as competent in the ritual as he can.
     

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