Pope says that Masonic Lobby worse of a Problem than Homosexuality

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  1. Bro_Vick

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    Whatever he said doesn't apply to American mainstream Freemasonry.


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  3. Bro_Vick

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    And you know this how? The Pope makes distinctions between regular and irregular Masonic practices?

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  4. stalban

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    So this statement was in response to the "gay lobbies". I wonder if his comment on the Masons was somehow connected to those efforts or just a general statement.


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  5. widows son

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    I think he is referring to both English/American Freemasonry and The GOdF and its bodies. I'm sure the Church knows quite a bit about about the Craft including regularity and what not. It wouldn't surprise me at all if it had quite an extensive amount of of knowledge about Freemasonry, there have always been a vast number of scholars within the Church.
     
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    I honestly don't think the church cares about what is regular or isn't, scholars or no scholars...
     
  7. widows son

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    "I honestly don't think the church cares about what is regular or isn't, scholars or no scholars..."

    • I think it has to do with more with "knowing your enemy" than whether they care who's regular and not. Those scholars collected information regardless. But your probably right, in their eyes Freemasonry is still Freemasonry regardless of affiliation or deviation.
     
  8. Brother_Steve

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    I have read otherwise. I will dig up a link. It had to do with the church punishing a mason under the french lodge.

    Nm: after rereading the source, it was not from the rcc
     
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  9. Blake Bowden

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    Pope Francis and the Catholic Church

    Pope Francis...

    "If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge him?

    The problem is not having this orientation. We must be brothers. The problem is lobbying by this orientation, or lobbies of greedy people, political lobbies, Masonic lobbies, so many lobbies. This is the worst problem," he said.

    Hold up. So if a person is gay and has good will, they get a free pass, but since I'm a Freemason I'm not extended the same courtesies? Francis, did you know that my Lodge handed me a Bible and encouraged me to read it? Did you know that my Lodge encouraged me to be active in my Church (Baptist)?
     
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  10. BryanMaloney

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    You did not actually listen but picked out what you wanted to pick apart:

    The problem is lobbying, not being. Does Freemasonry become an excuse to form a political pressure group? Do you go around and demand special laws be made for Freemasons? Go re-read the quote you post and actually read it.
     
  11. BryanMaloney

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    How much lobbying does Freemasonry in the USA, the UK, etc. do? Do not let your hatred and paranoia blind you.
     
  12. BryanMaloney

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    Why isn't anyone yowling and puling that Francis hates all political processess and wants to ban all free elections and voting? After all, he also spoke against "political lobbies". Looks to me like the intolerant are accusing him of intolerance.
     
  13. colbats

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    Ok quick question, what about the Filipinos(Philippines)? Majority of the Filipino are Catholic, and also a brother. I don't think the Catholic Churches in the Phillipines have problem with Masonry. Can someone shed a light on this? Thanks.

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  14. Zack

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    I don't understand why we, as Freemasons, should be concerned about what the Pope says or thinks of our Fraternity.

    We are not trying to win a popularity contest are we?
     
  15. jmflores

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    That's too bad I really hoped he would be different. :( All he's really saying is just repeating what the catechism says about gays, yet he chooses to omit that they must be in a chaste relationship according to the catechism.

    I have a quick question, what kind of Bible does the lodges give?

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  16. Jericho2013

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    My lodge gave me the King James version.
     
  17. jmflores

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    Re: Catholic church

    That's great, I was just wondering if anybody ever had any preference for one version?


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  18. widows son

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    "I don't understand why we, as Freemasons, should be concerned about what the Pope says or thinks of our Fraternity.

    We are not trying to win a popularity contest are we?"

    • I don't think that's the reason as to why Masons like myself care. To condemn an entire group because one group says "go discover God" while the other is saying "come through me to get to God." There are many good Masons out there who are also Catholic, and keep their membership secret, purely because they are afraid of their church finding out. This is not ok. Like i said before, the church probably knows more about Freemasonry than most people think, and I believe it is aware of the esoteric nature we prop up. I think this is the main issue between Masonry and the Church.
     
  19. otherstar

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    Pope Francis appears to me to be opposed to all forums of political corruption more than he is opposed to free elections and voting. Could you provide a source where he says he is opposed to free elections and voting, because I cannot find such a source.
     
  20. jmflores

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    I'm not sure if the Church knows so much about Freemasonry, I have read a little about the way that they can learn more about Freemasonry is by engaging in discussion with Masons, similar to how they engage other religions through ecumenism. Supposedly that has been going on.

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