Rejection of a petition?

Discussion in 'Frequently Asked Questions' started by Mark Petro, May 20, 2018.

  1. Mark Petro

    Mark Petro Registered User

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    Okay guys, I have a question. I know many of you have been involved in the petition process, so what have you ever seen that made you want to, or actually reject a prospective Mason's petition?

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  2. JamestheJust

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    I am currently interviewer for a candidate and I was quite wary of him. Five times I asked him why he wanted to be a Mason and the best reason he could manage was that his grandfather was a Mason. Eventually he said that he was curious about Masonry.

    My thinking got clearer when my co-interviewer said that the applicant was a "user" - that is to say uses people for his own benefit. I think that is correct and that he would be a weight upon the workings in the temple. I will recommend that he not be approved.
     
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  3. Glen Cook

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  4. David612

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    Not what you have asked I have a friend I grew up with, been friends for over 20 years.
    I was organising to bring him to lodge recently untill he and his girlfriend (my sister in law) had a bad breakup and the way the whole thing has gone down with the behaviour from both of them has me so disgusted I have retracted my invitation.
     
  5. Bloke

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    Hi Mark

    I've been involved in interviewing hundreds of prospective Freemasons

    The answer is tricky, because detailing a response could give someone the tools to circumnavigate a process.

    I will mention a few things though where I have halted a petition;
    • Lying
    • Emotional immaturity - generally displayed by not treating others well.. or just being emotionally immature.
    • Serious convictions with no demonstration of change (here, with the GMs permission, we can initiate guys with what Americans would call "felonies")
    • Freemasonry should be a body of Gentlemen - sexism, racism and prejudice against things like Religions will hold you back here..

    They key is being honest - and, even if that sees you not accepted, maybe that is the right thing for both parties. For instance, you are racist against black people, do you really want to be in an organsiation which will see them as your Brothers and likely see you socialize with them and or might see them as your leader ? Same goes for Muslims, Jews etc etc

    Do you have any concerns yourself ? Feel free to PM me.
     
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  6. dfreybur

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    We require the agreement of a man's wife.

    One time we were at a guy's house to meet his wife and she mentioned that their pastor did not approve of Masonry. He said he would switch to the next church down the street. She glared at him. We asked to take a look at the garden in his front yard. After they talked for a while he asked if he could have his petition back. We went back to lodge to check the rules. Technically we were supposed to give a negative recommendation and have it go to ballot but the outcome was a done deal anyways. Our secretary sent him back his petition and check.
     
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  7. hfmm97

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    Let me speak in general terms:

    I have seen situations in which potential members have passed the investigation committee but for some reason did not get voted in to be admitted into the lodge. So understand that until a candidate is elected to receive the degrees in Freemasonry, no guarantee of admission


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  8. Rifleman1776

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    Only once had I dropped the black ball/square. It was for an expelled MM who had been convicted of serious felonies. The investigation committee was very sympathetic towards him and gave a favorable report. He was rejected, in fact, we ran out of black balls.
     
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  10. Warrior1256

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    Ran into something like this recently. One Brother in the crowd may be aware of something in a candidates background that makes him uneasy about that persons membership.
     
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  11. Keith C

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    Recently we had a candidate rejected due to the content on his Facebook page. He claimed to have a belief in a Supreme Being, however his Facebook profile was filled with Satanic content and promoted a band he was a member of who music was all hailing Satan and Satanic beliefs. He had a different interpretation of Supreme Being than we did.

    It will be interesting to see going forward if any issues show up now the the Grand Lodge is running criminal background checks on all petitioners.
     
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  12. Warrior1256

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    People putting this type of inflammatory stuff on social media perplexes me. It reminds me of an adage......"Say it forget it, write it regret it".
    In Kentucky any felony conviction disqualifies you from membership.
     
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  13. Elexir

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    The stuff in bold makes me uneasy.
    Just becuse someone sings about satan dont make him a satanist.

    Tom Araya in Slayer sings "God hates us all" yet he is a chatolic.
    Would you find him not worthy?
     
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  14. Warrior1256

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    I understand your concern and get your point but sometimes you just have to go with your gut when it comes to interpreting evidence.
     
  15. Elexir

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    The problem with that approach is that you risk losing a potential member that might benefit the lodge.
    But then again I never vote in a ballot if I dont have enough information to make an informed descision.
     
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  16. MarkR

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    We must vote if we are present. Oh, I suppose no one would know if I fumbled around with the marbles but didn't actually put one into the slot, but our code requires all present Masons to vote on petitions.

    I'd rather err on the side of caution than vote for someone I'm uncomfortable with and have him become a problem. Lodges are destroyed that way.
     
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  17. Glen Cook

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    Utah also requires all MM present (members of the lodge) vote.

    In Utah, a petition must be voted upon. Consequently, even when the committee reports unfavourably, we must ballot.
     
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  18. Warrior1256

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    I understand but when it comes to guarding the West Gate I take a cautious approach.
    Same here.
    Same here in Kentucky.
    Same here.
     
  19. Bro. Landry

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    Lying, immaturity, unsavory background check. Also if a potential candidate seems like he has a lot on his plate, Masonry might not be right for him at the moment.


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  20. Howard Giang

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    Hi dfreybur, I don’t get this sentence tied in to your conclusion. Would you elaborate? Thanks.
     

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