Should Codebooks Be Allowed

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Should Codebooks Be Allowed

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    21 vote(s)
    29.2%
  1. Blake Bowden

    Blake Bowden Administrator Staff Member

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    Same as title
     
  2. JTM

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    easy answer for me. it's a crutch, through and through. the ritual in "King Solomon's and His Followers" is 24 (date?) years old. If you're going to use it, you're only going to mess yourself up anyway...

    if you really want it, you'll probably have one regardless of the rules. might as well have them say "no" so as to not encourage it.
     
  3. rhitland

    rhitland Founding Member Premium Member

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    to me, a tool is a tool or help is help and I have gotten alot of help from little brother.
     
  4. JTM

    JTM "Just in case" Premium Member

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    do you mind if i ask if you practice with it, use it when needed while teaching a candidate... how is it used?
     
  5. rhitland

    rhitland Founding Member Premium Member

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    practice by myself, my mentor is usually very handy and resoursful but he is 91 yrs young and I do not call him after 7pm; I only pull it out as a last resort usually if I restart froma point I know I can remember what I thought I had forgot but sometime as hard as I try I cannot remeber and thats when I will refer to the cypher book.
     
  6. TCShelton

    TCShelton Founding Member Premium Member

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    I use it to refresh my memory before a degree or before teaching a new Brother, never during either.
     
  7. JTM

    JTM "Just in case" Premium Member

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    this actually came up as a few brothers were visiting my house tonight. we looked at his notes (that he wrote in the 1940's), and he had what it took for him for him to remember the charge.

    was the charge esoteric at one point?
     
  8. jonesvilletexas

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    It is the first step to doing away with the work completely.
     
  9. I disagree. If you didn't have a working knowledge of the work to begin with, it wouldn't be much help. All the old guys have them, and they've had them for years. Masonry is doing just fine in jurisdictions where code books have been legal for years.
     
  10. jonesvilletexas

    jonesvilletexas Premium Member

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    This could be debated for every, the bottom line is if you won’t it you will have it.
    But here is something to think about! When and who will rewrite the obligation we took at the altar?
     
  11. I guess the answers would be:

    the committee on work

    whenever they feel like it
     
  12. Blake Bowden

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    Even though I still haven't ordered one, I think they should be allowed. Do you actually think if the GL changes it's mind, all those MM, WM, DDGMs, and every other title will run home and burn their copy..nah. I think in a way it maintains consistency.
     
  13. rhitland

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    Actually the Grand Lodge is the only body tha can approve changes to the wording of the obligation and it has to be presented at GL and voted on so it would not be easy to do. Com. on Work can only change the foot work. So if you are a member of GL then you would be responsible for rewritting any aprt of the work.
     
  14. Texas_Justice85

    Texas_Justice85 Registered User

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    only as a memory guide
     
  15. cpmorgan2

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    Someone made a comment that it had somewhere around 15 or 17 mistakes in it. If that be the case, I'd rather make those 15 or 17 mistakes and be corrected on them, than all 5000+ words being inaccurate and making those mistakes. 17 out of 5000 really isn't that bad. Now I know the work, you have to know the work to understand the codebook. When I see a mistake I over look it, I merely use it as a mind refresher.
     
  16. scottmh59

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    just dont have it with you at lodge
     
  17. luftx

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    I just use mine as a refresher also. When I'm working, I usually travel during the week, and just am tired and don't have time to make it to lodges where I'm at, so I just use it to try to get my lame brain to work right when I can't think of whatever I'm trying to review.

    A good friend of mine here, who hold an A Certificate and really knows the work, said that there are three mistakes in the current version. I've only found one, but then what do I know.

    Robert
     
  18. JEbeling

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    Don't see it being sold on the street... ! the only ones using it are masons.. !
    Its always handy to run over something before a degree... !

    Why would a non-mason want it.. ! he can't read it.. ! doesn't understand it.. ! wouldn't know the floorwork to go with it.. !
     
  19. LRG

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    How can GL or any other MM agree with correcting the ONE at issue. Whom ever created these violated the obl. for which they took and to ask GL to create another would be in complete violation.

    Lets just keep the ones we have know
     
  20. ljlinson1206

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    As I've stated before and have made no secret about, I've had one for years and have found it to be beneficial in that when traveling in our lives as we sometimes do, we need a little help in keeping up with our work. The cipher is only a tool, not a replacement.

    As a peace officer I can tell you first hand that if you do not practice what you have learned you WILL NOT retain it. If you are not in a position to attend lodge for awhile then you will not retain the work.

    I'm just saying.........
     

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