Should the history channel have done a show on freemasons.

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Should the history channel have done a show on freemasons.

  1. No I worked too hard to learn that stuff it's not fair.

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  2. Yes I think it was a great idea.

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  3. I have no clue what you are talking about.

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  4. I'm not a master mason.

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  1. Bboc

    Bboc Registered User

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    Should the history channel have done a show on freemasons. Was it a good way to recuit or show everyone we are not satin worshipers. ( if you have not seen it they did a whole show 1 hour long about the fraternity and at the end showed a version of a ceremony. If you have not been raised yet please don't go looking for it. It will ruin your experience.)
     
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  2. tom268

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    Absolutely NOT! What do you want to show? Everything? Do you really think that conspiracy jerks really believe you when it comes on TV? No, they will think that it is propaganda, and they already know that the "REAL THING" - that is the baby eating, devil conjuring part of masonry - is hidden from the public, no matter what you show them.

    The american brothers already show too much to the public in my taste.
     
  3. Bboc

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    Has there been anything like this on tv. Where your at.
     
  4. tom268

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    There are documentaries about freemasonry, but they show no interna, no temples and such, just history and interviews. Ritual parts are added by the film makers, but without the support of masons, just with actors playing some stuff they got out of common accessable writings like Prichard or Duncans Ritual.

    Such documentaries NEVER came out the way the brother wanted it.

    Film makers want to sell a product, they don't do it because they like masonry. And selling a product means make it interesting, revealing, mysterious. We should not fish in such murky waters.
     
  5. Bro. Stewart P.M.

    Bro. Stewart P.M. Lead Moderator Emeritus Staff Member

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    I don't really see an issue with it. Some of the shows are pretty educational and show the fraternity in a good light overall. it is obvious that whom ever supplied the show material was a bit confused or out of the Light...

    Of course we as Masons should never give reference as to the accuracy or inaccuracy to the ceremonies shown. IMO any indicator would be a violation of our OB. I simply state that the show was good or educational.
     
  6. JTM

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    iirc, it's an installation that they show. no big deal.
     
  7. Blake Bowden

    Blake Bowden Administrator Staff Member

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    I don't think so. I have a copy of "Freemasonry Revealed" which aired on the History Channel and it boldly shows several scenes from the MM degrees. I think all of those guys should have Masonic charges filed.
     
  8. Benton

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    Could have simply been profane actors reenacting what has been read from one of many exposes done on Masonry. It isn't necessarily Masons breaking their obligations.
     
  9. tom268

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    You refer to ones on Youtube.

    It is difficult to say if they are masons. The ritual is full of strange stuff, but that could be the compromize between the lodge and the TV guys. At least I hope you don't wear glittering paper crowns in your ritual :)
    But to be true, I saw too many brothers, who got caught in the ego-trap after been asked by a TV channel or magazine and they start to be very open .... at least a bit more open than the last brother, because that will get you into the feature.

    What is once out, you can never get it in again. What we give away will never be discrete again. We reduce ourselves to a bunch of guys with funny traditions. "nothing more than false beards and amateur acting" is it said in the documentary above. That does not help us in getting seriously interested men into the craft. No matter if the rest of the docu is positive or not.

    No murderous rumor, no conspiracy story has ever shunned good men from entering us. The news that we are just silly amateur actors and nothing more may do.
    Although, here in Germany, we are much more restrictive, our brothers usually try to convince the public, that we have nothing secret, nothing mysterious, nothing out of the ordinary at all. And then they wonder, why nobody is interested in joining.
     
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  10. JTM

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    i dunno. I saw one a while back that kept hyping "we're about to show an ACTUAL MASONIC RITUAL" and then just put up an officer installation ceremony.

    [​IMG]

    I don't believe I've seen the one you're talking about.
     
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  11. Dave in Waco

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    I don't think it did anything other then to get people to watch. It's not an accurate ceremony, so it really doesn't give away our secrets. It doesn't help any would be candidate learn about our ceremony since it isn't accurate. And the conspiracy theorist already "know" everything about us anyway, so that won't believe it.

    I do agree that they shouldn't even try to show any of our secret rituals. It just confuses those wanting really know, and it gives more ammunition to conspiracy theorists who exploit rumors and innaccurate facts that are already available to them. Personally, the best part is when they showed 2 high ranking members of the Scottish Rite Supreme Counsel that couldn't even agree on some things. Plus add to the the best quote quote, "We can't always decide if we are going to have ham or turkey sandwich at Lodge, how are we going to decide to rule the world?"
     
  12. owls84

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    I am all for it. The more these things come out the more traffic my Lodge site gets. We have so many people join and stay when these air because after watching they get curious and begin to search the net on Masonry. We just need to be ready to answer when the knock on the door happens.

    The day The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown came out we had ove 20 people contact us through our lodge page and out of those probably 6 got petitions. We rode a wave of 5 - 10 petitions for several months consistantly last year. Just wait until the Tom Hanks movie about Twelve Mighty Orphans comes out in a couple of years.
     
  13. rhitland

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    Keeping it secret or making it public does not change what masonry is or has to offer. Times change and while it was once required to keep our art a secret those times are long gone. We need to be proud we do spiritual rituals and tell the world so they can come and get'em a pull of Masonry. We will no longer be deemed heretics for what we do. I love watching them anyway so keep them coming.
     
  14. mark!

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    The ones I have seen on the History channel were actually really entertaining. They pertained more towards the history of Freemasonry, and the only ritual I recall is an installation. The history is very interesting. I was watching one show, i'm not sure but it could have been "Secrets of Freemasonry" or something to that effect, that had those who believe we are a cult, or satanic organization on there, however it also showed those who were not Freemasons, and not against what we do that defended our name. I believe it did a swell job on showing both sides. I dislike of course anything that puts Masonry in a negative light, but it is entertaining to watch some of these people come up with all sorts of things saying this is bad, or that's bad. Like the $20 trick with the Twin Towers, people stating it was a government conspiracy and such because if you MANIPULATE <<<key word, the $20 bill it shows smoke and such. People can manipulate things they don't know or understand, and there is a lot about Masonry that is not understood by the public, and that is unknown to them.
     
  15. JohnnyFlotsam

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    Agree on the "does not change what masonry has to offer..." part, and it's true that the secrets we keep are no longer likely to earn one a death sentence for heresy, but I do like to think that the promise to keep certain secrets is an important part of the lessons of our order. You know, character, discipline, and all that.
    As for the teevee shows, I don't lose a minute's sleep over them. First of all, the publicity is a good thing. Bring it on. Second, it's not like the "secrets" they expose aren't available to anyone curious enough to look. Third, and most important, the "real" secrets were not shown on any television shows about Masonry that I've seen. Such subject matter doesn't make for good teevee program material so it's not surprising that we haven't seen much of it.
     
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  16. jwhoff

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    come on guys! we're in vogue ... ride the wave.

    if Hitler and French King Frank couldn't get it out of us, they won't.
     
  17. Dave in Waco

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    Personally, I liked the new Decoded show they had about the missing White House Cornerstone. They came in with this wild theory that Freemasons had removed it. They went to the House of the Temple in DC, and talked to Arturo de Hoyos and others there who gave them access to the library. When asked if they had gotten special privledges to access the library, they were told no, it's open to anyone. They then looked through everything and after researching they not only failed to connect Freemasons to it being missing, but concluded that it still had to be there, plus found out the cornerstone for the Capitol building is missing as well. But they asked questions and were given very frank and factual information. Talk about debunk a rumor.
     
  18. jim9361

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    Brothers,

    This show or one like it is what lit the fire under my poor blind butt. What I saw was a negative slant on free masonry. I was already interested in the craft but knew nothing of it. The show I saw on the History Channel at least opened it up a bit and I really never believed or interrupted any of the information given as bad or evil. I found the conspiracy theories and other crack pot ideas comical.

    It made me go ahead and seek out some masons. I was surprised to find out who were masons that I already knew. That is I was pleasantly surprised to see the common theme of all of them being men of good character.
     
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  19. MasonicTexan

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  20. jwhoff

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    I saw it. It probably didn't play well with the disinterested population. Wild accusations tend to paint the accuser into the corner.

    Curiosity about the craft never hurts. Up until a few years ago, I didn't hear much from the profane world about masonry. I do get many comments from folks who see my ring. And it's most always favorable. Most of the men express interest. In fact, several have asked for petitions.

    There's new interest out there. We need to be ever vigil on who we are attracting though.
     

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