Sponsoring Local Sports Teams

Discussion in 'Masonic Jurisprudence' started by MGM357, Jun 24, 2010.

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Should a Masonic Lodge be able to sponsor a local sports team?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. MGM357

    MGM357 Registered User

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    What does the GLoT have to say about sponsoring local youth sports teams ( Little League etc)?
     
  2. Papatom

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    That is a VERY good question. I am waiting on the answer to this one. I can not find it the law book.
     
  3. owls84

    owls84 Moderator Premium Member

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    I have tackled this before with GL and and all I received was a good ole fashion run around. We actually found conflicting statements in the law book vs other GL Documents. The best you are going to get is an interpritation of what someone "believes it says". I would use the Vanguard Requirments that state you should support a local community youth orginzation. This would allow you to support the Little League Team.
     
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2010
  4. david918

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    Not sure what the right answer is I seem to remember there was a GM's decision about it years back.I've read all the proceedings from the Grand Lodge of Texas since the 1890's and there are always numerous GM decisions about questions like this one.It seems to me like Grand Lodge should publish a book of the Grand Master's decisions over the years and if they were up held by the Grand Lodge.Sure could answer a lot of brothers questions.
     
  5. owls84

    owls84 Moderator Premium Member

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    When I asked the question to about 10 people I got about 11 answers. Each of which you could tell the person really wasn't sure. It reminded me of the time I asked "What is Masonic Communication?" There does not seem to be a universal stance.
     
  6. Wingnut

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    here is what I have...

    126c. Youth Activities. The Committee on Youth Activities
    shall be charged with the duty of encouraging all Master Masons
    in this Grand Jurisdiction to advance, promote, and support the
    youth organizations approved for Masonic sponsorship under the
    Laws of this Grand Lodge and for the amplification and coordination
    of worthy activities of the Grand Lodge and its Constituent
    Lodges in support of same.
    In an effort to secure only those of the highest moral character
    and reputation to serve as advisors to said Youth Organizations,
    the following procedure applies to any Master Mason wishing to
    serve as such.
    1. The Master Mason wishing to serve as an advisor to an
    approved Youth Organization shall submit Form No. 79.
    2. The form shall authorize investigations into the applicant’s
    reputation and character, including requets for credit checks, criminal
    records and any charges of child abuse filed with the Texas
    Department of Human Services.
    3. The Lodge of a Master Mason so applying, must attest in
    writing, to his good standing.
    4. The completed form shall be submitted annually to the
    Youth Organization and its Chief Executive Officer in Texas, the
    Youth Organization’s sponsoring body and the Grand Secretary of
    this Grand Lodge where they shall remain on file. (Revised 1990)

    and

    Art. 339. Lodge Shall Not Sponsor Other Organizations. No
    lodge shall stand as sponsor for any other organization, even though
    such organization be composed exclusively of Master Masons or of
    the wives, sister, sons, or daughters of Master Masons. Provided that
    this article shall not apply to the Chapters of the Order of DeMolay
    for Boys, Assemblies of the Order of Rainbow for Girls, and Bethels
    of the International Order of Job’s Daughters. (Revised 1989)
     
  7. owls84

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    2009 - 2010 Vanguard Requirements

    Section II Para A No. 2

    Support a Masonic youth group by doing one of the following:
    (a) Provide at least $200.00 in financial support or
    (b) Provide at least three (3) advisors or
    (c) Conduct at least two common activities between either Masonic youth
    groups (such as DeMolay or Rainbows) or community youth
    group(s) and members of the Lodge. (Community youth groups may
    include Boy or Girl Scouts, Little League, Youth Soccer, FFA, 4-H Clubs,
    etc).


    This tells me that the Lodge should support a community youth group. These are the contradictions I speak of. You have a law that states no sponsorship other than with a "MAsonic Youth Group" then you have Grand Lodge Vaguard Requirments actually call out "Boy or Girl Scouts, Little Leauge, Youth Soccer, FFA, 4-H Clubs, etc."
     
  8. MGM357

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    Would three advisors be a committee? All I would like to see is our Lodge on the back of baseball jerseys. This would help the league and keep our name alive in the community.
     
  9. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

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    They already do. It's shown as "Grand Masters Decisions & Annotations" on the front page of the Lodge Order Blank. It is available in book form or CD for $20.00 & is well worth having.
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2010
  10. Bill Lins

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    Grand Master's Decision-1996-NO.1 holds that, while a Lodge may not sponsor an athletic team, it "may support a team by donating money, equipment, or uniforms." (italics mine)

    Hope this helps.
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2010
  11. jim9361

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    Granted I am a newbie, but the way I see it a lodge may give money but may not recieve any name recognition or advertisment in return. The featured article about advertising on this web site answered some questions for me and gave me a real good understanding about the concept. :thumbup:http://www.masonsoftexas.com/content.php/254-Advertising
     
  12. Blake Bowden

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    What's the difference between "sponsor" and "support"? Who cares if a Masonic Lodge wants to SPONSOR a team? In my neck of the woods, the Lions, Rotary and Odd Fellows all have their own little league teams. Why can't we?
     
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  13. MGM357

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    May support is donating without being recognized. I disagree with not recognizing the support. How are we suposed to grow within our communities without being recognized?
     
  14. Papatom

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    In regards to article 126c. What oraganizations is reffered to here?
     
  15. owls84

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    The explanation I got was the same on why we won't associate ourselves with the Boy Scouts. "It is a liability to Grand Lodge and the Grand Master." We don't have control on how the leaders of the organizations are chosen so to protect ourselves from lawsuit we do not "sponsor" the organization but "support" it. From an advertisement stance the difference between support and sponsor is simply level of recognition. When you hear "Visa is a Proud Supporter of the Olympic games" they have donated a ton of money but the games also accept MasterCard. When you hear "Coca Cola is a Proud Sponsor of the Olympic games." They have gave a ton of money but only Coke products are sold there.

    My personal opinion, which is worth $0.10 in Maine, is that we should be allowed to slap our name all over the city like we used to if the Lodge wants to. You have Lodges going away every year because people don't know they exist. I believe that certain committees should be examining the Law to see if it still pertains or if a recommendation should be made to change it. There are several throughout the book that contradict each other or just don't explain what the "intent" of the Law was with out going back to the proceedings of the year it was adopted or changed.

    @Papatom - You can't have Art. 126 without having Art. 339. 126 states "youth organizations approved for Masonic sponsorship" while 339 list those organizations. As I stated earlier in post #7 the vanguard tells you to "support" 4-H, FFA, and others that are not "approved" Masonic Programs. To me this is a major contradiction.
     
  16. Dave in Waco

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    So seeing that we can not officially sponser a team but can donate equipment, uniforms, etc., what about donating uniforms with our name on them?
     
  17. ShadyGrove821

    ShadyGrove821 Registered User

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    Sponsoring a team could open a nasty can of worms.

    Picture this: Umpire makes a bad call, resulting in a bleacher-clearing donnybrook. Video is broadcast on local TV (and posted on YouTube.) Zoom to cursing child throwing a sucker punch. His uniform reads: "Billy Goat Lodge #1776. Making Good Men Better."

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/31/national/main527602.shtml

    Just a thought,

    Bob Umphress PM
    Dallas Lodge #760
    Dallas, Texas
     
  18. Dave in Waco

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    Good point Brother.
     
  19. Wingnut

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    Usualy sponsoring implies you are taking a leadership role in an organization or activitiy if you sponsor it. Which also implies a taking on of the responsibility of that organization or activity. For FMRC members, it would equate to sponsoring a Charity Ride, Poker RUn etc. you would be taking on the responsibility of that event. Someone gets killed you, your lodge, your Grand Lodge etc etc etc becomes liable.

    Supporting implies you help or assist without taking on the leadership, liability or responsiblity of it. Buying the Girl Scouts cookies is supporting the girl scouts...

    Vanguard Requirements call for a lodge to support and give several options on how to sponsor:

    (a) Provide at least $200.00 in financial support or
    (b) Provide at least three (3) advisors or
    (c) Conduct at least two common activities between either Masonic youth groups (such as DeMolay or Rainbows) or community youth group(s) and members of the Lodge. (Community youth groups may include Boy or Girl Scouts, Little League, Youth Soccer, FFA, 4-H Clubs, etc).

    There isnt a contradiction at all. (c) says to "conduct a common activity" not to sponsor on of the mentioned group. Some examples Ive seen have been Boy Scouts helping with our Blood Drives, handing out flyers, making calls, having a bbq after...

    Yes it is symantics, but isnt most of what we do a matter of symantics? In the legal world those symantics can be the difference between getting a dismissal before it even goes to court or trying to find a place to have you next lodge meeting...
     
  20. owls84

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    So by definition Wingnut you are suggesting by paying a team to put our names on the back of a jersey still falls under "supporting" not "sponsoring"? Interesting. I can buy into that. We don't pay for the fields or give them a meeting place we merely aid them financially.

    And I do agree that the semantics is what gives the Local Lodges the power and what a great power it is if used properly.
     

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