Stupid Atheist

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  1. Frater Cliff Porter

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    This is an article I wrote for Living Stones Magazine. www.livingstonesmagazine.com so that you can get a bit of an idea of what is available in the magazine.

    A belief in Deity is required to be a Freemason, and is considered one of the Ancient Landmarks of Freemasonry. Anderson’s Constitutions of 1723 provide that a Mason was once encouraged to simply blend to the religion of his land, similar in exactitude to the teachings of the Druze, but changed here by Anderson influenced by Enlightenment Europeans to read:

    “A Mason is obliged by his Tenure, to obey the moral law; and if he rightly understands the Art, he will never be a stupid Atheist nor an irreligious Libertine. But though in ancient times Masons were charged in every country to be of the religion of that country or nation, whatever it was, yet it is now thought more expedient only to oblige them to that religion in which all men agree, leaving their particular Opinions to themselves: that is, to be Good men and True, or Men of Honour and Honesty, by whatever Denomination or Persuasion they may be distinguished; whereby Masonry becomes the Centre of Union and the Means of conciliating true Friendship among persons that must have remained at a perpetual distance.â€

    The explanation given new candidates for a need in the generic belief in Deity and the exclusion of these “stupid Atheist†often the statement that the oath of an atheist is not binding, since the oath itself is taken upon a Bible or other Volume of Sacred Law depending the faith of the particular candidate or the standard Masonic practices for the man taking the oath.

    I will contend the following:

    1. The assertion that the oath of an atheist is not binding is preposterous and the reason for the exclusion of atheist is important, but their oath not being binding is not the reason.

    2. The symbols of Masonry point to an ancient truth and provide a better explanation for the reason atheist are excluded from the Craft.

    3. The reason for the exclusion gives us a hint to origins of Masonic Philosophy.

    We only need to examine a list of famous atheist who were in every way more wonderful than a list of believers to make the historical argument that an atheist will keep his word.

    One of my favorite atheist Andrew Carnegie, the famous builder of the largest steel empire in the United States of America. He was also one of the world’s most giving philanthropist. He list writers such as famous Freemason Robert Burns as his heros, respected religious freedom, and even supported his wife in her Presbyterian beliefs by attending church with her. By almost every standard, a man with whom Masonry would find itself at home; less his atheism.

    Carnegie went so far as to declare a belief, “an Infinite and Eternal Energy from which all things proceed.â€As Masons we might be tempted to declare for Carnegie a faith. Yet, it is unfair to classify a man’s faith for him and Carnegie himself made a declaration concerning his faith saying, “I don’t believe in God. My god is patriotism. Teach a man to be a good citizen and you have solved the problem of life.â€

    It would be difficult to argue that Carnegie was not a man of his word, philanthropic, or intelligent. Nor is Carnegie an isolated incident in the history of atheism.

    The list of decent and good atheist is as long as the list of terrible and seemingly irreligious men of God, who, at first appearances would be very welcomed to the Craft given the limited face value requirements for admission into this valuable Fraternity.

    As to point one as well, we should be able that the converse of the argument is true. If the oath of an atheist is not binding, then the oath of a believer should be. Nonetheless, we find a list of horrible men who are Christians, Jews, Muslims, and believers of every kind who violate their oaths. We find list of foresworn Freemasons easy to find, even recently with the violent acts of Anders Behring Breivik.

    We might be tempted to claim that none of these oath-breakers “truly†believed or were “truly†Freemasons. The word “truly†being thrown around as the excuse of the morally self-righteous. The fact is list of perfect men filling the ranks of Freemasonry, if extant, is short; more likely it has never existed.

    It would stand to reason that if the oath of a believer is easily breakable as provable by history, and if the oath of an atheist is easily keepable as provable by history, there might be another reason for the exclusion of atheist, or the reason for their exclusion must be superfluous.

    It is my contention that there is little in Masonic ritual or ancient customs that is superfluous and, that when the seemingly absurd is found within the ranks of our ancient teachings a great truth is often hidden within. The absurd is ofttimes a road marker for hidden wisdom upon the path of Freemasonry. The monitorial portion of the degrees of the Scottish Rite and our most Illustrious Brother Albert Pike would agree stating ofttimes that the symbol and rituals of the Craft intentionally conceal the true meaning of a thing and are designed to do just that. Initiation, being a degreed system or graduated system reveals the truth in stages. Likewise, the real secrets of Masonry seem more internal than external. The most esoteric teachings of the Craft become so, it would seem, because of their ineffable nature.

    This ineffability of the nature of our secrets gives way to the first hint of the authentic nature of the exclusion of atheist. What would initially appear a Christian innovation or intolerant invention becomes an important safety mechanism that should adhered to in every instance for the spiritual safety of the practitioner as well for the preservation of the reputation of the institution.

    When Masonry is relegated to coronations, collars, and back slapping there is little room for an argument of great spiritual sagacity for the prohibition of atheist. When Masonic meetings are little more than minutes and self-aggrandizing minutia the genuine reason for excluding atheist seems more of a personal preference that our devolution into a “look how great I am club.†The state of our Fraternity and our participation in its less than humble or giving activities is a matter of personal embarrassment when witnessed by non-believers. For the non-believer, it would be better that they were kept in the dark as to our personal needs of over elevation for little accomplished, as we would like to keep the public image of a humble souled philanthropist with a devote faith in God. Better to be a working tool of the Divine in the eyes of the damned than a hypocrite with human failings and little humility.

    But, if Masonry is more than a dressed up fish-fry or a dressed down Star and Garter, then we must answer the difficult question of what Masonry “is.†This is no small task within the confines of a Masonic culture in which it is more popular to declare Masonry undefinable, because to define it takes work and labor. It is much easier, albeit intellectually dishonest, to declare Masonry all things to all men so that we need not study and work to come up with a definition and, therefore, application in our daily lives. Also, to define the Craft beyond a good old boys club carries the risk of upsetting the good old boys. Masonry is relegated to a two hour block of time in a lodge room, instead of a philosophy of such depth and greatness it changes lives and simultaneously the world.

    For the sake of this paper, we will define the “IS†of Masonry through the language of Masonry; it symbols.

    The 47th Problem of Euclide is a common symbol within several of the Masonic rites whose first appearance within Masonic ritual dates back to at least the 17th century.

    We read in General Ahiman Rezon of 1868 by Daniel Sickels
    the following description of the symbol and its place in Masonry:

    “THE FORTY-SEVENTH PROBLEM OF EUCLID.

    This was an invention of our ancient friend and brother, the great Pythagoras, who, in his travels through Asia, Africa, and Europe, was initiated into the several orders of priesthood. and raised to the sublime degree of Master Mason. This wise philosopher enriched his mind abundantly in a general knowledge of things and more especially in Geometry, or Masonry. On this subject he drew out many problems and theorems; and, among the most distinguished, he erected this, which, in the joy of his heart, he called EUREKA, in the Grecian language signifying I have found it; and upon the discovery of which he is said to have sacrificed a hecatomb. It teaches Masons to be general lovers of the arts and sciences.â€

    This description is common it or some version similar or nearing it can be found within most of the lectures of the third degree in the United States of America, Emulation Ritual, and within several Scottish Lodges.

    By 1723 the 47th Problem of Euclid was so entrenched in Speculative Masonry, that it was made part of Anderson’s Constitutions. Much attention has been given this “Pythagorean Theorem,†and Bromwell goes so far as to provide the triangle is the only important symbol, the squares being only for illustrative purposes. Bromwell was mistaken.

    The illusion is multi-fold. The cube is the symbol of man. Metatron’s Cube, the cube as a platonic solid, and many of the great mystical traditions provide the cube as both the basic building material of matter and a geometric representation of man. The true building block of the inner and outer temple, the real and spiritual architecture of the universe.


    We see see Pharaoh seated upon a cube as an allusion to this very fact. Hindu gods are depicted as standing upon a cube as a symbol of the Divine over man. It is not uncommon to see the cube tied directly to this idea both in religion and in architecture. As noted by Tiffany Whitmire in her article on the topic relates the following:

    “2. The Hindus

    Before the Hindus erect any type of building, large or small, for religious purposes they first perform a simple geometric construction on the ground. This means that they construct a square from establishing due East and West. It is from this square that they lay out the entire building. The geometric construction is associated by prayers and religious observances.

    3. The Christians

    The cross is used as the major emblem for the Christian religion. In geometrical terms the cross, elaborated in the Medieval period, is the form of an unfolded cube. It was also associated with kingship. Many of the Gothic chuches were built by proportions derived from the geometry inherent in the cube or the double-cube. Many Christian churches are still built in this form today.

    4. The Ancient Egyptians

    The ancient Egyptians used regular polygons in their construction, but discovered that these polygons could be increased while keeping the ratio of their sides by the addition of a strictly constructed area. This was named the "gnomon" by the Greeks. The god Osiris was given the recognition for the concept of the ratio-retaining expansion of a rectangular area. Egyptians also used the square as a symbol of kingship.â€

    So it is unlikely the square or cube as used to illustrate the 47th Problem of Euclide means nothing. It is unnecessary to draw more than a line to illustrate the triangle and the more common way of illustrating the theorem is circle, not a series of squares. So again, it is unlikely the square or cube mean nothing. Further, whenever the number three appears in Masonry, it is intentional. We must give some attention to the fact that it is three squares or cubes that define the triangle in illustrative measure.

    The metaphysical nature of Pythagoras and his disciples is in little question. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that any symbols used or created by Pythagoras or his followers had no spiritual value or connotation. To the contrary, Pythagoras was revered more the metaphysical nature of his work, than the purely geometric nature of it. In ancient times it is likely the stiffly drawn lines in our present day culture were not as defined.

    We find ourselves as Masons faced with the obvious conclusions. First, that Masonry is philosophical, is special and is designed to impart a truth. Masonry reveres Pythagoras and this theorem for the same reasons Plato and Aristotle did, he was a spiritual leader and teacher. A philosopher of the greatest kind that would give birth to a new metaphysical culture.

    Since we have nothing written from the hand of Pythagoras himself, we must examine what is known about him and of him in order to form some level of conclusion. In this regard, deduction of the symbols becomes the surest way to decipher their meaning.

    Breaking Down the Symbol

    1. The cube since the most ancient of periods has been associated with man and the material.

    2. The cube appears three times as part of the common Masonic symbol of the 47th Problem of Euclid.

    3. Man persuades (and lies) in threes.

    4. The triangle is a symbol of the Divine in many cultures.

    5. The right triangle has been used in ancient architecture and building for thousands of years and is associated, likewise with the Divine.

    The 47th Problem of Euclid is a roadmap for the Divine and, in turn, gives us a clue to the origins of our own Masonic philosophies.

    The three squares or cubes relate to the tripartite nature of man. The fact that they illustrate the symbol of the Divine provides the message that man, the universe, and the nature of things can be understood by looking and discovering within man, that all truth and all things Divine can be discovered within man himself. The search is in Masonry is an internal and not an external one.

    Eureka, the term ascribed to Pythagoras in Masonic lore upon discover of this ancient truth stems from the Greek “heureka†and means, I have found it.†Masonry could be hard to define for some, but it must be a search for light if our rituals contain any truth at all, as the candidate repeatedly declares his thirst for light and repeatedly is said to receive it. Light is knowledge and I have failed to provide an endnote on this, for any man a Mason who declares that the light referred to in the degrees is other than this, we are so far apart in our agreement on the issue, and they so far outside of a realistic understanding of degrees, there is nothing I can write for him to bring to said light. Go linger in the darkness, this article is not for you.
    The light of Masonry is a Divine Light, and that light is now illustrated to exist within the tripartite nature of man as illustrated by our symbols.

    Eureka! I also declare, for we have found it and it is within us!

    The journey of Masonry is a Gnostic one. It is an Enlightenment Era invention predicated on the ancient mystery schools that declare, “I warn you, whoever you are. Oh, you who wish to probe the arcanes of nature, if you do not find within yourself that which you seek, neither shall you be able to find it outside. If you ignore the excellencies of your own house, how do you intend to find other excellencies? In you is hidden the treasure of treasures. Oh, man, know thyself and thou shall know the Universe and the Gods!â€

    The Enlightenment had ushered in an Era of Reason, so much so, that it threatened to dislodge the spiritual from its rightful place in the balanced life of a man. The pendulum was beginning to swing so violently away from the Age of Superstition, that even dreams were disregarded as irrational and intellectuals were made to feel less so for having had them.

    Masonry served and serves as a mystical tradition that inculcates balance and instructs the candidate that the Divine is within. This approach could be identified as Hermetic or relating to the teaching of Hermes, who is sometimes associated with Hiram.

    This is partially mistaken and does not take into the account the distinctly Christian flavor of the Enlightenment in Europe or the overtly Christian references purposely removed from Masonic ritual during the unification of the modern and antient grand lodges in England. It was at this time that the Craft was purposely demystified to some degree in hopes of making it more appear more overtly universal.

    The belief that the degrees were less than universal at the time comes from the misunderstanding of the mystical or Gnostic Christian references as literal. When taken in the Gnostic manner in which they were intended, the true beauty of the ritual can be understood.

    The Swedish Rite of Freemasonry is a perfect example of how a purely Gnostic tradition contains direct Christian references that in no way require a belief in a literal Christ and, in some regards, are harmed by such a literal approach to their interpretation. In many ways, it is quite sad that this beautiful tradition has been closed Christians alone.

    Hiram himself is purposely modeled after Jesus in the Gnostic sense. This being the only logical conclusion when all the other aspects of the Craft are Judaic in nature. The messianic portion must be Christian in flair. This, in turn, is Gnostic.

    Gnosticism is nothing more Christianized Hermeticism. Freemasonry is the Enlightenment Era mysticism with Christian overtones, resulting in its Gnostic message in lieu of the pagan Hermetic one. The Gnostic message, heretical as it was in Enlightenment Era Europe, was still more acceptable in nature than the pre-Christian Hermetic one.
    The frightening truth of this message is that it is distinctly not in keeping with the current evangelical message of Christian fundamentalist which have rightly identified Masonry as an enemy. Masonry seeks to provide a path to the Divine within, and removes all pretense and ceremony the church would have you believe is necessary for salvation.

    Masonic salvation comes in the form of a moral and just life, and exist for the candidate in the here and now; Masonry is not a religion, because the existence of of organized worship is superstitious in comparison to Gnosticism.

    Within Gnosticism, God is within you and all around you all the time and the false perception of the fall of man, or the absence of the presence of God is a false one. So just as the triangle of Pythagoras is within the squares, so toGod dwells within. Yet, he can be seen throughout everything everywhere. One might say the wisdom of God can be traced through the whole of nature and His glory firmly established by simply experiencing nature and life.
    Which brings us to our “stupid atheist.â€

    If the point of the journey is to find the Divine nature of man, then the atheist can not complete this journey; for at the end of it, he must slump exhausted and have no faith to rely on.

    The man who begins the journey, the profane, is said to be in denial of his true Divine nature. If the end of the journey is designed to reveal this truth, what good would the journey do for man whose label requires him to deny this.

    The word stupid derives from the Latin stupidus and means confounded. Confounded derives from the same origins as damned, or damaged.

    This is an apt description of what happens or could happen to a man exposed to the truth for which he is ill prepared. Within the mystical traditions there is a belief that those ill prepared to confront their Divine nature, or confront it before they are initiated will be driven mad, or produce the opposite effect of wisdom.

    Our very own Masonic first Grand Master, King Solomon himself, was said to be driven to madness. This comes after using the high truth of the nature of things to build his Temple. Harnessing the wisdom of demons, he grows arrogant, and is subsequently driven mad.

    The exclusion of atheist is a safety mechanism built in to a Gnostic tradition. The atheist, living an out of balance life, much like the fundamentalist on the other end of the scale, is deemed “not ready†to confront his nature, much more than he is deemed unfit.

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    2 Reverend James Anderson D.D., Constitutions of Freemasonry 1723, (Whitefish: Kessinger, 2004)
    3 Rabie Jarmakani. Personal Interview. 4 July 2011.
    4 John Marshall, John Locke, Toleration and early Enlightenment Culture, (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2006)
    5 H.L. Haywood, The Newly-Made Mason: What He and Every Mason Should Know About Masonry, (Chicago: The Masonic History Company, 1948)
    6 David Nasaw, Andrew Carnegie, (New York: Penguin, 2007)
    7 David Nasaw, Andrew Carnegie, (New York: Penguin, 2007)
    8 Andrew Carnegie, The Autobiography of Andrew Carnegie and The Gospel of Wealth, (Seattle: Createspace, 2010)
    9 Chris Hodapp, “More on the Norway Killer’s Masonic and Templar Connections,†Freemasonry for Dummies, 28 July 2011.
    10 Daniel Sickels, General Ahiman Rezon, (New York: Masonic Publishing and Manufacturing Company, 1868)
    11 Reverend James Anderson D.D., Constitutions of Freemasonry 1723, (Whitefish: Kessinger, 2004)
    12 Henry P.H. Bromwell, Restorations of Masonic Geometry and Symbolry, (Denver: Henry P.H. Bromwell Masonic Publishing Company, 1905)
    13 Stephen Skinner, Sacred Geometry: Deciphering the Code, (New York: Sterling, 2009)
    14 Tiffany Whitmire, “Sacred Geometry,†Sweet Briar College, September 1998 .
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    18 Douglas Harper, “Eureka,†Online Etymology Dictionary,
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    20 John Gascoigne, Science, Philosophy and Religion in the Age of Enlightenment, (London: Ashgate Variorum Publishing, 2010)
    21 Manly P. Hall, The Lost Keys of Freemasonry, (Los Angeles: Hall Publishing, 1924)
    22 Julian Rees, “Through Ritual To Enlightenment,†Pietre-Stones: Review of Freemasonry, 20 March 2003,
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    Having been a former atheist, this makes perfect sense and speaks of the condition I was in to a "T".

    It's unfortunate that the current flavor of atheism will write off a great aspect of our psychological make-up as nothing more than a remnant of an out-dated human need for "comfort", and that it should be quickly jettisoned if humans are to take "the leap forward". Even as an atheist I felt a deep stirring to connect to the Absolute. Unsurprisingly, more rational atheists and agnostics aren't as quick to dismiss this feeling. I think this is where freemasonry does a good job... in allowing the individual to come to their own conclusion of what Deity is, the Craft allows the person to still use allegorical representations as guide posts on the path toward more "Light". It in no ways forces the person to choose a side, when in reality there isn't a need to do so (and as you stated above, this can be the same issue with the fundamentalist.

    The problem lies when, even as Richard Dawkins admits in his book "The God Delusion", the person draws a line in the sand and refuses to go any further forward. As W.L. Wilmhurst point out in the first sections of his work, "The Meaning of Masonry", there seems to be a psychological drive to find what it is that we seem to feel missing from our human experience. In my fundamentalist Christian years we called this the hole in our soul that only God could fill. Even now atheists are searching for it as well, as noted in the recent trend to start "atheist churches".
     
  3. widows son

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    I think people are recognizing that "the white guy sitting above the clouds" isn't allowing any sort of leap forward. The sciences everyday point to the order that seems to be behind every aspect of existence.


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  4. brother josh

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    Divine providence equals Divine Energy


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  5. jjjjjggggg

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    Science over superstition... but Deity serves a useful arch-type/place-marker, same as Solomon's temple or Hiram abiff.


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  6. BryanMaloney

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    My God is not an archetype or placeholder. He is personal, immanent, active and with everyone and everything. He loves me, you, the guy who denies Him, and the guy who doesn't care one way or another. Without His constant intervention, anything would simply cease to be and cease to have ever had existed in the first place. That is how God fits in the universe in my way of thinking. For some of us, God is not just a convenient abstraction.
     
  7. jjjjjggggg

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    The genius of freemasonry is that we are required to believe in deity, but left to define it for ourselves.

    I am not in the least bit threatened by your absoluteness, I'm just not so confident in my own abilities to be that absolute.


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    I'm not sure who you are referring to when you say "you who denies, Him, and the guy who doesn't care one way or another." But just as you say your god is personal, so too is my belief in "his" existence. When you say those who deny him, I think you forget that a mason is charged to believe in a supreme deity. No one man can interpret another belief. My statement merely reflected a mentality of some who choose not to see the past some of the literalism attached to some religions.


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    The problem with the statement you quoted is it depends on the fact that Buddhism does not exist to be valid as a statement. It's possible for the atheist stance to come with the issue mentioned but the combination is by no means automatic.
     
  10. jjjjjggggg

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    I'm not sure I understand your reply. As a former student of Buddhism (I practiced Theravadan, then zen/shingon) I don't think the buddha taught hard atheism. In fact, the majority of Buddhists around the world are theists, though properly polytheists.

    And in zen, being mixed with taoism, Deity, without its anthropomorphic qualities, is simply referred to as the Tao... THE monistic absolute.

    What's interesting to me about the eastern traditions, and the point to Wilmhurst's the Meaning of Freemasonry, is that they also contain an "aha" moment... Enlightenment, when that which was lost has been found again... as comparing the western ideal of salvation.


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    Also... (for some reason it won't let me edit my last post) Porter's statement described me as a "Dawkin's atheist"... which I was before beginning to practice Buddhism. In a roundabout way, I was an atheist as a child, then "born-again" fundamentalist Christian, then atheist in the vein of Dawkins, then Buddhist/Taoist, now without a label but probably best described as a monist.

    In fact, one of the things about freemasonry that drew me to it was the open-ness to the interpretation of deity without having to draw any harder of a line philosophically. I personally enjoy the esoteric back and forth while seeking "further Light".
     
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    My you have quite the experience!


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    And where I'm from we'd call such a person who floats around like that a flake. Maybe I am, but I can think of no greater metaphor than my own personal search as that of one seeking more light. It wasn't until I was 14 y/o that I had even thought of the possibility of having a spiritual life... and so began my search. I'm turned off by most religions need to have hard and fast rules (dogma)... and have only now found at the age of 34 what I've found in freemasonry. I realize freemasonry isn't suppose to replace religion... but as Brother Ernest Borgnine said, "It's enough religion for me."
     
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    widows son Premium Member

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    I feel the same way.


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    'Enough religion for me'

    That speaks to me. Thanks!

    I very much enjoyed the wide search into the spiritual, and the syncretic approach to religion and spirituality and occultism is very much my approach. Its great how freemasonry enriches each mason by bringing him into contact with different ppl and different views.






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  16. jvarnell

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    This to me is an odd statment in the context of life. This is a statment of an agnostic. The word Superstition means you don't like anyother than your opinion of an event. "Superstition is the belief in supernaturl causality" Just because you have not been able to measure something that you think has supernaturl causality yet it is called superstition but some day you may figure out how to mesure it and it will then become science at that time to you.
     
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    What I meant was 1) Me, 2) You, 3) Some other guy who denies God altogether, 4) some guy who just doesn't care.
     
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    His lessons are independent of deity, which makes theism or atheism equally valid in Buddhism. Yet Buddhism is deeply spiritual and has saints. That's why the bit that I quoted is not correct. It does work as a counterexample independent of any one Buddhist happening to be a theist because there are plenty who aren't.

    The difference between monotheism and polytheism is very small if you start looking at how religions are practiced by members around the world.

    The Tao is also impersonal from what I've read. Neither here nor there for the purposes of this discussion but interesting.

    If I understand some of Bro Bryan's postings correctly there is a spectrum in how various sects teach the concepts of salvation and enlightenment. There's a lot of overlap.
     
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    It is "my" opinion that , atheists were disallowed because simply they can not benefit from a craft that claims to be preparing theirselves as living stones


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    This article certainly answers a lot of questions. Thanks brother.
     

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