"The Big East opens for Women"

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  1. Blake Bowden

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    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-fr...00104-le-grand-orient-s-ouvre-aux-femmes-.php

    Translated:

    The decision of the utmost obedience in France closes a debate that lasted for years.

    Surprise move Friday at the Grand Orient of France. This first assignment Freemason in France, always remained male, has officially decided to admit women into its midst. It becomes a de facto obedience where the boxes are free to initiate women, without becoming a formal obedience mixed. This decision thus closes a debate that divided the Grand Orient for many years .

    Subsequent Conventions - annual general meetings of autumn - the prospect of admitting women in the boxes was regularly voted but never find a majority in favor.

    Initiations "wild"
    At the point of causing internal damage as last September , in Lyon, where several delegates had left the meeting in protest. Stormy meeting in the context where several lodges of Grand Orient had chosen not to wait for approval and were conducted initiations "savages" of six women at risk of exclusion. Procedures had even been launched against them at the national level.

    To resolve this problem the way chosen by the grand master, Pierre Lambicchi was not proposing a new meeting time this issue but to seize an internal committee responsible. That is to say the Supreme Chamber Masonic Justice (CSJM). This body is able to evaluate and then decide on the application of internal regulations.

    When asked whether it was contrary to the rules of the Grand Orient lodges that can initiate women, she said at a meeting April 8, there was nothing wrong in the internal regulations of this boxes that take the initiative.

    Its implementation is immediate since it is prescribed. It should, however, satisfy many of the 47,000 members of the Grand Orient, as the decision remains subject to each of 1,150 boxes.

    Opposition to this measure was in effect often associated with culture and history of boxes and not specific to the authority as such which regularly hosts "Sisters" to work together.
     
  2. Jamesb

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    This is why I will never allow women into my blue lodge...reading this is like reading the mind of a crazy person. I read it three times and it make absolutely no sense.
     
  3. Dave in Waco

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    Well said!!
     
  4. Blake Bowden

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    Gotta love google translate.
     
  5. Wingnut

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    so... we will no longer recognize any of the French lodges?
     
  6. tomasball

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    We never recognized the Grand Orient of France, at least in modern memory. We do recognize the National Grand Lodge of France. It all goes back to the "culture and history of boxes," I suppose.
     
  7. Jamesb

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    If we as Masons ever allow "Boxes" to join I am leaving. For when we start allowing paper products where does it stop. Oh, unless the Orental French are speaking in the Vernacular about "Boxes" which is just wrong.
     
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  8. owls84

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    That is good James. I got a little chuckle out of it.
     
  9. tom268

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    Since this decision of the Grand Orient, the recognized GL in France is growing fast. It seems, not all members agree with the grand decision.
     
  10. tomasball

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    Where can I read about that growth? I'm curious how easy it is for members of the GO to join the GLNF. Wouldn't work here.
     
  11. Frater Cliff Porter

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    Some of the members that are opposed to women are going to be illuminist Atheist who, although would like a male obedience, would not find a home in the Grand Lodge of France, because the GLoF requires a belief in Deity
     
  12. tom268

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    Sorry, I don't have a source for that, it came out of a talk I had with a brother, who is quite active in France.

    Cliff is correct, before this decision, the GOdF attracted many atheistic males into its ranks. It is also very politically active in the french society. But there are other irregular, male only grand lodges in France. Those, who have no problem with belief usually join the regular Grand Loge National.
    Here it is not such a problem, to become regular. You have to petition at a lodge and you need the OK of the grand master.

    I don't know if the person needs to get through the whole degrees again, but I believe, that only a new obligation to the rules of the new GL is needed.

    I don't know how irregular masons are handled in Texas, but I have heard from US brothers, that they have the opinion, that they aren't even allowed to talk to them. That is surely different here. Irregular masons are treated as any other profane. We respect the person, but we don't consider him/her a mason.
     
  13. Bill Lins

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    Same here. We cannot have Masonic communication with them, but otherwise no difference.
     
  14. Christopher

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    My understanding is that there are no irregular lodges in Texas. I know there are a handful in the US, but from what I understand, they're all in the Northeast. Am I wrong?
     
  15. tomasball

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    What an amazing notion! Suggest you start by looking up the thread on the Regular Grand Lodge of Texas.
     
  16. Christopher

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    Interesting. Thanks for the tip.
     
  17. Bill Lins

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    Not to mention the Most Worshipful Scottish Rite Grand Lodge, headquartered in the Fourth Ward on Andrews, whose "Grand Medical Officer" is the doctor accused of killing Michael Jackson.
     
  18. Frater Cliff Porter

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  19. Bill Lins

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    Had to ask, didn't you? :wink:

    Actually, the following IS a righteous Lodge- Temple #4

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  20. Frater Cliff Porter

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    Oops, sorry about that. Good catch.
     
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