Visiting lodges that aren't in your jurisdiction

Discussion in 'Becoming a Freemason' started by Capricornguy, Feb 14, 2020 at 4:52 PM.

  1. Capricornguy

    Capricornguy Registered User

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    So I ran into another mason that worked in my area. He sported the jacked mason jacked, wore the ring, and necklace. I started talking to him. He claimed he was a 32nd degree scottish rite mason. I was like cool: You got your dues card? I showed him mine he showed me his. Mine was brown and his was Blue.

    I showed him mine he showed me his. We talked. Then I talked to my teacher about his lodge. He said his lodge is "recognized" under the GLofTX but not part of our jurisdiction. So It wouldn't be a good idea to talk to him about masonic stuff.

    We looked up his lodge online(facebook) and sure enough it looked like it was a group of people who just made a lodge and formed their own work and claimed to be masons. I am curious if this is common.

    I was also told he couldn't attend our meetings nor the grandlodge meetings, and I wouldn't be able to attend theirs.

    After our encounter he didn't wear any masonic apparel at all and avoided me since. We didn't have a bad chat we talked about how masonry improved our lives etc. Never spoke of the work.
     
  2. Bill Lins

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    Pretty common in Texas (especially Houston), Chicago, & NYC. The only other Grand Lodge in Texas that's recognized by GLoTX is the Prince Hall Affiliated (PHA) Grand Lodge of Texas which is based in Fort Worth. We can intervisit & hold Masonic discourse with them, but with no others.
     
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  3. Glen Cook

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    Do you remember the lodge or grand lodge?
     
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    If they are recognized what is the issue with masonic discussion?
     
  5. XUSMICO

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    Common, PHA and other clandestine lodges try and infiltrate regular lodges. I have noted that many clandestine lodges are big into wearing Masonic clothing, large gaudy necklaces. hats ect. Each year I have my lofgr get the YELLOW BOOK" that has the listing has all the regular & recognized lodeges. Keep it in my truck or travel bag to help when meeting a suspected Mason
     
  6. Glen Cook

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    PHA is NOT clandestine and they are a regular lodge. Indeed, the GL TX , the jurisdiction of the OP, is in amity with PHA Texas.
     
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  7. Glen Cook

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    They appear not to be recognised. His was a mis-statement.
     
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  8. Capricornguy

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    I guess my teacher meant "Acknowledge" them but they aren't under the Grand Lodge of TX.

    So People actually create lodges and then.

    This lodge is

    he was trying to tell me they were the first, I asked my teacher and he said no we were the first in texas under the GLofTX. Maybe in his "Own" Jurisdiction. So how can I spot "real" masons and ones that are not in my jurisdiction. My mentor told me they have a book they go on and a dues card.
    UMW Scottish Rite Grand Lodge Af & AM of Texas Inc In Houston is his lodge he was referring to.
     
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  9. Bill Lins

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    He is, to be charitable, incorrect. Once again, the Prince Hall Affiliated Grand Lodge of Texas, based in Fort Worth, is the ONLY other Texas Grand Lodge recognized by the GLoTX. UMW is one of many clandestine grand Lodges in Texas.
     
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  10. Bill Lins

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    As an addendum, IIRC, the "Grand Medical Officer" of UMW is the doctor who was convicted of causing the death of Michael Jackson.
     
  11. Glen Cook

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    If by “acknowledge “, he means awareness, that is likely true. If he in any way implies acceptance, that is not true. It is not a regular body.
     
  12. Glen Cook

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    Yikes.
     
  13. Capricornguy

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    Wow so stay away from this guy.
     
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  14. Glen Cook

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    Well, don’t harm your work relationship. To be fair, this may be what he has been told. Many of these group deceive their members.
     
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  15. Capricornguy

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    How so deceive their members? Sorry I'm an FC at temple going to raised to MM soon but I did think a short time because I had time to spare so I'm still green in masonry.

    This person does not work with me but works in our building that we rent from. I just want to know moving forward what to say and what not to say.
     
  16. Glen Cook

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    It is common among clandestine groups to make various misstatements half-truths:

    They have a charter (it’s a charter to do business and not a Masonic charter);

    That they are recognized (only by other clandestine groups);

    That they can travel and visit other Lodges (only other clandestine lodges, not any large under the jurisdiction of UGLE, any state Grand Lodges, any PHA Grand Lodge...).

    They are “Prince Hall,“ feeling to note that they are not Prince Hall Affiliated.

    As noted above, there are only two Grand Lodges in Texas that are recognized: the Grand Lodge of Texas and Prince Hall of Texas. No one else.

    I would defer to brethren of your jurisdiction regarding precisely what may be discussed.
     
  17. Bill Lins

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    The only other Grand Lodge recognized by GLoTX is the Prince Hall AFFILIATED Grand Lodge. There are other, clandestine GLs here that style themselves Prince Hall XXXXX. ONLY PHA is recognized.
     

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