Why do we meet in the west for certificates and other honors

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  1. 1st Manhattan

    1st Manhattan Registered User

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    Hi All,

    I am the ritual director at a lodge in New York. Last night, two brothers asked me the following:

    - Why does the WM ask the chaplain to escort someone west of the altar so that he can receive his certificate?

    - Why are we not allowed to cross our legs when sitting inside a Masonic lodge?

    Can anyone help.
     
  2. Brother JC

    Brother JC Vigilant Staff Member

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    As my lodges do neither I can’t assist with the first but the legs should remain upright to show the proper respect to the proceedings. Crossed legs are a sign of casual dismissal.
     
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  3. 1st Manhattan

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    Thanks
     
  4. David612

    David612 Registered User

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    Haven’t heard either of these-
    Chock it up to local weirdness.
     
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  5. JamestheJust

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    Crossed legs usually appear in the Masonic emblems of mortality and in most statues of the "wardens" in Mithraic ritual.

    Here are the wardens with crossed legs and columns (torches) up and down.

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    See how hard Leonardo has to work to put the crossed legs into John the Baptist as he points to the skull at the top of his wand - with the hand making the angle for a pentagram. Also an implied 18th degree sign - both parts

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    In ancient tradition the crossed legs were referring to Osiris who was raised from the death by Horus (Hiram?)

    Still, in a live human body (as compared with the corpse of Osiris - husband of the Widow Isis) crossing the legs short circuits key meridians and lowers the ability of the nervous system to support higher consciousness
     
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  6. JamestheJust

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    Crossed leg bones also occur in the Templar naval battle flag
     
  7. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

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    We generally present awards and the like @ the altar and the WM will instruct the Senior Warden to escort the awardee to the west SIDE of the altar. The WM will then proceed to the east SIDE of the altar to make the presentation.
     
  8. Glen Cook

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    My father, an OK mason, was a feet on floor for officers as well. It is also what I’ve seen in my Cheshire Lodges and chapters. Many of us teach it in Utah also. So , a bit more than local weirdness.
     
  9. David612

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    Local American weirdness.
     
  10. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    Cheshire is in England.

    The two US two jurisdictions are hundreds of miles apart.

    So, not local. Not just American.
     
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  11. David612

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    I didn’t really read you post TBH.
     
  12. jermy Bell

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    I've never seen giving anything in the West in any of the lodges I attend here in southern Illinois, we are asked to approach the east to receive anything.
     
  13. Brother_Steve

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    We either ask the brother to approach to east or ask the SD to escort them to the east from West of the altar.

    Officers are not supposed to cross their legs. A grand grand of instruction will have grand ritualists calling you out for it.
     
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  14. Keith C

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    While Officers don't cross their legs in PA there is no restriction on the rest of the Brethren.

    Here presentations are all done in the East, and it is required of everyone except the DDGM (or GM in the rare event he is at a Lodge Meeting) approaches the East on the North side of the Lodge. Therefore if you are seated in the South East, you would first have to go West to get to the Altar to cross the Lodge.
     
  15. goomba

    goomba Neo-Antient Site Benefactor

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    I'd say if people are escorted to the west of the altar it is just because it makes sense. That's a place in the lodge where the person can stand somewhat centered and facing the WM. Never heard of a crossed legs rule. That just sounds like a weird useless rule to me.
     
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  16. Thomas Stright

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    West of the Alter makes sense to Me, as to crossing legs....that dependent on my back pain, if crossing relieves it....so be it.
     
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  17. Ross Thompson

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    I have a theory on meeting in the West I'm going to ferret out, I'll let you know when I have a concrete answer.

    As for legs crossed, when I'm wearing these boots I cross my legs because I want everyone to see three vamp. LOL[​IMG]

    Sent from my moto z4 using Tapatalk
     
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  18. Thomas Stright

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    Most refrain from one upping fellow Brothers.
     
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  19. Ross Thompson

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    No one upping... Just proud. LOL
     
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