According to the Pope...

[Blake Bowden]

Atheists can go to Heaven:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...o-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html

But the "Masonic lobby is the most serious problem" for him.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pope-francis-masonic-lobbies-most-serious-problem-me

 

[JJones]

You don't have to believe in God to go to heaven now?

I'm reminded of the phrase 'everyone gets a trophy'.

 

[widows son]

Except the Masons. They're all kinds of evil!

 

[JohnnyFlotsam]

Brother Bowden,

These are not the most ridiculous proclamations that I have heard from clergy, and far from the most errant theological ones either. They are however right up there near the top.

As is so often the case, the Pontiff's words have been twisted to the point that they bear little resemblance to what he actually said. Mind you, I'm about the last person to be making apologies for the RCC and it's authorities, but fair is fair. He did not say "Atheists will go to Heaven..."

On the other hand, he did say this... "“Sin, even for those who have no faith, exists when people disobey their conscience.” I find that rather refreshing, coming from that quarter.

 

[crono782]

Check out the comments of the second link (the one on Masonry), it's a hoot. Like most uninformed parties, what is being said is sometimes preposterous and at times just plain hilarious.

 

[JohnnyFlotsam]

But I'm pretty sure I understand the stated position on masonry, which is that we are very very bad, a position that is errant in every way.

No argument there. Such stunning and clearly willful ignorance never cease to amaze me.

 

[mas2500]

The Catholic Church....... I love philosophy and write it....... But they have none, they all blindly follow an elected leader.


Future mason from born from the past ones.

 

[mas2500]

No argument there. Such stunning and clearly willful ignorance never cease to amaze me.

Ignorance drove my father to be abusive, my smarts drove me to formulate a plan since I was little. His ignorance of me put him in court. Smarts put me in a great life.

Ignorance, wreaks. Smarts Steer.


Future mason from born from the past ones.

 

[BryanMaloney]

The Catholic Church....... I love philosophy and write it....... But they have none, they all blindly follow an elected leader.

You mean, like Republicans wanted us to do with little Bush and Democrats want us to do with Obama?

 

[JohnnyFlotsam]

You mean, like Republicans wanted us to do with little Bush and Democrats want us to do with Obama?

Worse, by far. :001_smile:

 

[JohnnyFlotsam]

And then today...

VATICAN CITY Pope Francis has warned that the Catholic Church's moral structure might "fall like a house of cards" if it doesn't balance its divisive rules about abortion, gays and contraception with the greater need to make it a merciful, more welcoming place for all.

( http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162...-church-must-focus-beyond-small-minded-rules/ )

Wow...
The response to that is going to be interesting.