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[hanzosbm]

This is probably a question either for the brothers who have travelled extensively or those that have done a fair bit of reading regarding the ritual in various jurisdictions.

In reading The Ceremony of Initiation by W.L. Wilmshurst, he discusses the part of the EA degree referenced in the subject. He talks about very specific language used during this portion and some of the meaning behind it. Yet, in the GLoKY, the ideas that he references don't seem to be there.

Since I'd rather people not speak about the particulars of the ritual, my question is more along the lines of how similar has the wording or the message been in this portion of the ritual from jurisdiction to jurisdiction?

 

[pointwithinacircle2]

http://hermetic.com/wilmshurst/the-ceremony-of-initiation/

 

[hanzosbm]

Wow, I had no idea that it was available online. I'm holding the paper copy in my hand at the moment.

 

[Ripcord22A]

In OR its exactly as u say in the subject. In NM its slightly different but the same

 

[hanzosbm]

Gentlemen,

Sorry, I'm not sure I was being clear. I wasn't so much curious about the wording I used in the subject line, but rather what is said afterward, over the candidate. W.L. Wilmshurst hints at some deeper meaning behind what is being said during this portion by either the WM, SD, or Chaplain depending on who is doing it. The thing is, the things he seems to be hinting at are completely absent from the GLKY ritual.

 

[dfreybur]

I learned the prayer for the candidate to become SD in California. In Illinois it is spoken by the CH with the two words reversed. In Texas it is spoken by the CH with a few words changed at the end. It's a beautiful part of the ritual and it's sad to hear it has been deleted in a version of the ritual.

Before we initiate we pray for the candidate asking for divine guidance and support. Before we raise the candidate he prays for himself. I like how these two complete each other.

 

[hanzosbm]

Brother dreybur, thank you for your help on this, I think you'll be an excellent source on this discussion. Brother pointwithinacirlce2 was kind enough to give a link to the book I'm reading. Would you mind taking a look at it, specifically Part 1, section 2.

In KY, we have a prayer, but it doesn't have the aspects that WL Wilmshurst seems to be alluding to. I'm wondering if the prayer that you're familiar with does.

 

[Bill Lins]

I learned the prayer for the candidate to become SD in California. In Texas it is spoken by the CH with a few words changed at the end.

Are you referring to the prayer given after the reception of the candidate into the Lodgeroom? If so, the Monitor clearly states "This prayer is mandatory, and shall be given by the Worshipful Master."

 

[hanzosbm]

Are you referring to the prayer given after the reception of the candidate into the Lodgeroom? If so, the Monitor clearly states "This prayer is mandatory, and shall be given by the Worshipful Master."

Maybe your monitor does. Mine does not.

 

[Levelhead]

Floridas about the same.


Sent from Mossy Oak Swamp Bottom.

 

[dfreybur]

Maybe your monitor does. Mine does not.

It does vary jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Bill and I are both Texas Masons referring the Texas ritual in this part of the thread. It is not uncommon for parts of the ritual to be spoken by a brother who knows it rather than the brother specified in the ritual. Not technically correct then. Got it. Thanks.

 

[hanzosbm]

No no, I completely understand, and I appreciate your input. I was just pointing out (and perhaps too brashly) that it does vary by jurisdiction, which is exactly why I wanted to get input from brothers in different areas.

 

[Mike Martin]

Does it help to see the prayer itself?

"Vouchsafe Thine aid, Almighty Father and Supreme Governor of the Universe, to our present convention, and grant that this Candidate for Freemasonry may so dedicate and devote his life to Thy service as to become a true and faithful brother among us. Endue him with a competency of Thy divine wisdom, that, assisted by the secrets of our Masonic art, he may the better be enabled to unfold the beauties of true godliness, to the honour and glory of Thy Holy Name. "

 

[Brother_Steve]

Does it help to see the prayer itself?

"Vouchsafe Thine aid, Almighty Father and Supreme Governor of the Universe, to our present convention, and grant that this Candidate for Freemasonry may so dedicate and devote his life to Thy service as to become a true and faithful brother among us. Endue him with a competency of Thy divine wisdom, that, assisted by the secrets of our Masonic art, he may the better be enabled to unfold the beauties of true godliness, to the honour and glory of Thy Holy Name. "

very very very close.

 

[Ripcord22A]

Very very close to both OR and NM. OR &NM are actually cliser to eachother then this but both have lines that are exactly as it is here but those lines arent the same lines in both and then both share lines and have their own differences.....lol

 

[Bill Lins]

Americans & Brits- two peoples separated by a common language.

 

[BroBook]

http://hermetic.com/wilmshurst/the-ceremony-of-initiation/

Just started reading this GOOD STUFF!!!