Will SJR Scottish Rite members be Clandestine now?

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by FlBrother324, Nov 2, 2013.

  1. FlBrother324

    FlBrother324 Registered User

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    Thank you Br. Freyburger for the information. So presently there's a little over 20% that still don't have visitation? Sadly ours is one of those without. But when we tried offering recognition the PHA in our state passed for unknown reasons? Though it was presented the Craft at Grand Lodge a couple of years ago with favorable results. Not a lot can be done without both sides agreeing. In the meantime we wait.

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  2. Rick Clifton

    Rick Clifton Registered User

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    Poor choice of words. JMHO
     
  3. Mac

    Mac Moderator Premium Member

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    I disagree. These jurisdictions have been dragging their feet (one or both sides). It's time this divide be a thing of history.


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  4. dfreybur

    dfreybur Premium Member

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    So far I had only heard of Arkansas offering and being turned down. Is there a write up on the GLofFL web site? In both cases Arkansas and Florida I wonder what happened? Was either offer itself were unacceptable or were our PHA brothers there are not yet ready for other reasons?

    Note that I don't specify which side the problem is on. The map I cited only shows the problem in one direction. That's something I've learned since joining this forum, and it's something discussed in this thread.

    What's up in Arkansas and Florida? Is it correlated with other topics that have had these jurisdictions (as well as WV) in the news in recent years?

    Were I a member in PHA AR, FL or WV I might want the dust to settle a bit over their other issues before being ready to exchange mutual recognition, but I read the list of jurisdictions that have not responded to the California offer and I can't think of a good reason they have not yet responded. Plus knowing that California has a list of pending offers I wonder how much other clean up remains.
     
  5. dfreybur

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    We're waiting on rulings by the various GLs that don't have mutual recognition in place, right?

    I have come to the point where I do not expect clarifying rules to be issued by any GL until some of their members start forcing the issue by attending across boundaries. Why should a sovereign jurisdiction react to outside pressure just because I want them to? Were I in a jurisdiction without mutual recognition would I present myself for a visit to force the issue? Risking expulsion I would not. So I don't expect any jurisdiction to issue a clarifying ruling on their own and I will not be surprised if no brother in any jurisdiction forces the issue.

    Taking the moral high ground only works if others respond. I expect stonewalling. It's what we've seen so far. Sigh.
     

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