Books or readings recommended for the “construction of the internal Temple".

Discussion in 'Masonic Education' started by Mark89, Apr 8, 2018.

  1. otherstar

    otherstar Registered User

    Methinks you and I use a totally different definition of the word "mystical." I've always considered things to be mystical if they are tied to more of a religious type of experience, like an experience of God in Church or at prayer.

    The non-mystical type of experience you described could just as easily be explained in Aristotelian terms: we experience things, and draw inferences from our experiences. We also store our experiences in our memories. Then our mind uses its imaginative powers (not in the sense of creating stories, but in the sense of our minds ability to be resourceful) to combine ideas and create a question. There is nothing mystical about this. This is all just using our rational powers as human beings.

    So cynical.

    So I guess there is no room for normal human inquiry with you, no?

    I still wouldn't call that mystical. Abstractive, insofar as we abstract mathematical ideas from physical things, but not mystical. We may just have to agree to disagree. I think we humans derive all of our knowledge from our senses. Then, we reflect upon that knowledge and combine ideas to form other ideas and arguments. From those arguments, we draw conclusions (in Aristotelian Logic, I've just described the three acts of the intellect: simple apprehension, judgement, and reasoning).

    FWIW, my academic background is Aristotelian/Thomist philosophy (Master's Degree) and I focused on the Philosophy of Nature, Philosophy of Science, and the Philosophy of Mathematics.
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  2. JamestheJust

    JamestheJust Registered User

    What is veiled by "the working tools" is a set of metaphysical instruments that can be used directly in a "moral" sense. They are not hard to use by those that are practiced in technical meditation. The metaphysical instruments have a close relationship to the trade tools named in the ritual as the same laws (regular relationships) apply at all levels of existence (planes) with slight variation based on the nature of energy-substance on each plane and subplane.
  3. dfreybur

    dfreybur Premium Member

    If your experiences of science or mathematics are any less moving than your experiences in an ecstatic celebration at church, then I am saddened at how you have experienced science and mathematics. And vice versa.

    Of course our definitions of mystical differ. Where's the fun in disagreeing. I even know people who define it as the stuff that does not work. I prefer a usage that is useful. And more importantly that is the way it's used by practicing mystics.

    I have encountered plenty of practicing mystics who nod when they read about Newton's numerology and how it can act as strength training for insight. Then they get fidgety when I apply the principle to mathematics. Math is one of the highest forms of mysticism in that view but a lot of people get uncomfortable when they get too close to it.

    And here you are with the opposite. You used the word imagination not noticing the act of creating new knowledge. You got fidgety just like a practicing mystic shown a calculus book.

    There is symmetry.
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  4. otherstar

    otherstar Registered User

    To experience wonder in an intellectual exercise, or to experience joy in worship is NOT the same thing as having a genuine mystical experience. True mystical experiences are quite rare and come after undergoing purification, illumination, and finally unification. In my lifetime, I've never met a person I'd consider a genuine mystic...though I can think of a few who most likely were genuine mystics: Pope St. John Paull II, and the Dalai Lama are on the short list for me.

    Do we really get to choose how to define words, or is truth one or many?

    Like I said above, I don't think there are that many genuine mystics in the world and those who consider themselves to be mystics are probably not really mystics because the real mystics I mentioned would be the last person to refer to themselves as a mystic.
  5. CLewey44

    CLewey44 Registered User

    Methinks you're being a bit of a troll, brother. All I've seen you do is get on here lately and poke, prod and provoke people over the most ridiculous things. This site isn't supposed to be a site in questioning people's grammar usage or their perspective on things in a pretentious, condescending manner. I even saw somewhere here you made it clear your goal was to upset someone on here and bragged about how you succeeded in doing that. For some its all the Masonry they get due to schedules and whatnot. All I'm seeing is negativity going on here.

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