Joining Family in PHA

[Netspec_357]

Over a year ago, I joined (unbeknownst to me) a lodge of "clandestine" masons. Two weeks ago, my Brother and Brother in Law (both PHA), sat me down and took the time to explain the difference. I will hopefully be joining them as a PHA Mason here shortly.

 

[Glen Cook]

Over a year ago, I joined (unbeknownst to me) a lodge of "clandestine" masons. Two weeks ago, my Brother and Brother in Law (both PHA), sat me down and took the time to explain the difference. I will hopefully be joining them as a PHA Mason here shortly.

Good for you. That’s a hard decision to make.

 

[Netspec_357]

Thanks for the reply and yes, it was a difficult decision to make.

 

[Setitoff215]

I mean don’t let other man decide for you it is up to you and what your feels nobody owns the rights to masonry you just belong to a jurisdiction that is not recognized by major grand lodge in fact the United grand lodge of England states that they do not own the rights of masonry and that there maybe other lodges that may have been established prior to them being established!! But good luck with everything


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[Netspec_357]

I mean don’t let other man decide for you it is up to you and what your feels nobody owns the rights to masonry you just belong to a jurisdiction that is not recognized by major grand lodge in fact the United grand lodge of England states that they do not own the rights of masonry and that there maybe other lodges that may have been established prior to them being established!! But good luck with everything


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It wasn't them deciding what was for me. I enjoy Masonry and I love history (Especially AA History) so let's just say it's the best of two worlds for me

 

[Glen Cook]

I mean don’t let other man decide for you it is up to you and what your feels nobody owns the rights to masonry you just belong to a jurisdiction that is not recognized by major grand lodge in fact the United grand lodge of England states that they do not own the rights of masonry and that there maybe other lodges that may have been established prior to them being established!! But good luck with everything


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Where do you find the UGLE statement that other GLs may have been established before them?

 

[Brother JC]

I mean don’t let other man decide for you it is up to you and what your feels nobody owns the rights to masonry you just belong to a jurisdiction that is not recognized by major grand lodge in fact the United grand lodge of England states that they do not own the rights of masonry and that there maybe other lodges that may have been established prior to them being established!! But good luck with everything

You would lose the ability to visit thousands of lodges worldwide, to be accepted by Brethren you meet in your daily life, even to carry on certain conversations with men you meet...
Sure, why bother?

 

[Setitoff215]

I don’t believe in the word clandestine to be honest brother we can’t argue something that happened before us!! The numbers are already declining within our fraternity and all everyone can worry about is who recognizes who! Who am I to say your not a legit mason if you believe in the same principles when some one is made a Mason is in there heart not there lodge not in a room you didn’t take an oath to man but you took it for God you made covenant with God I am not here to belittle anyone nor take there right believe what they want or be a mason else where there are many lodges in different countries that are not recognized but still willing to show fellowship half of the time your own brothers in your lodge treat you worse than a foreign/not recognized jurisdiction there are good people on both sides this a forever battle remember prince hall had the same battle and went thru the same process not recognized until 1996 what’s to say that these other jurisdictions are not trying to do the same??


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[Glen Cook]

I don’t believe in the word clandestine to be honest brother we can’t argue something that happened before us!! The numbers are already declining within our fraternity and all everyone can worry about is who recognizes who! Who am I to say your not a legit mason if you believe in the same principles when some one is made a Mason is in there heart not there lodge not in a room you didn’t take an oath to man but you took it for God you made covenant with God I am not here to belittle anyone nor take there right believe what they want or be a mason else where there are many lodges in different countries that are not recognized but still willing to show fellowship half of the time your own brothers in your lodge treat you worse than a foreign/not recognized jurisdiction there are good people on both sides this a forever battle remember prince hall had the same battle and went thru the same process not recognized until 1996 what’s to say that these other jurisdictions are not trying to do the same??


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First, punctuation is your friend (and ours).

While you may not “believe “ in the word clandestine, it is a word, and a word used in masonry for over 150 years. Certainly, we can use the word irregular.

I’m unaware of any ritual which states one is made a mason in their heart. Which ritual do you use?

Yes, there are many irregular groups which wish to be considered regular. That doesn’t mean they are.
Please understand, if you are happy where you are, it’s not for me to say otherwise. However, that does not mean I have to accept your group as Masons.

May I ask which Grand Lodge you’re in?

 

[hanzosbm]

I’m unaware of any ritual which states one is made a mason in their heart.

Maybe not the ritual, but the proficiency for the Grand Lodge of Kentucky does in fact include this language.

 

[Glen Cook]

Maybe not the ritual, but the proficiency for the Grand Lodge of Kentucky does in fact include this language.

I’ll bet you $100 to Shriner’s Hospital the word “prepared “ is used. .

 

[hanzosbm]

I’ll bet you $100 to Shriner’s Hospital the word “prepared “ is used. .

I won't hold you to that, but if I did, you'd be paying up. ;-)
If you'd like, I can send you the wording in a private message.

 

[Glen Cook]

I won't hold you to that, but if I did, you'd be paying up. ;-)
If you'd like, I can send you the wording in a private message.

Sure. Or to cookslc at aol dot com.

 

[hanzosbm]

Sure. Or to cookslc at aol dot com.

Sounds good, just emailed you.

 

[Setitoff215]

Jaja so now your calling out a brother on punctuation lol land of the free my brother no punctuation none lol


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[Glen Cook]

Jaja so now your calling out a brother on punctuation lol land of the free my brother no punctuation none lol


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Oh, hardly calling out. Just a reminder that the goal is communication. Punctuation helps with that.

However, I didn’t see a response to my questions? Which ritual do use, and what is your grand lodge?

 

[Brother JC]

Lodge of Deflection...

 

[acjohnson53]

Brother don't cater that conversation, it's endless. If you sat down with your Brothers and they talked with you leave it at that.....We're all Master Masons in our own way....Look to the East for further guidance......

 

[Setitoff215]

Lodge of Deflection...

Lodge of deflection is right lol

 

[Setitoff215]

Brother don't cater that conversation, it's endless. If you sat down with your Brothers and they talked with you leave it at that.....We're all Master Masons in our own way....Look to the East for further guidance......

Thanks for the righteous words