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Discussion in 'Frequently Asked Questions' started by JB93, Aug 30, 2016.

  1. mrpierce17

    mrpierce17 KOP Council director / Lodge instructor Premium Member

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  2. JB93

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    good bye.. see yall on another subject
     
  3. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

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    YOU should remember that, and learn to ask questions and qualify what you post rather than make declarative statements that are incorrect.
     
  4. Bloke

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    Depends on what you define as "signs" for me, they are the "secrets" taught in lodge to show another Freemason you are a Freemason, consisting of masonic signs (salutes), grips and tokens....

    It is always better to err on the side of caution on these things.. we have the same sort of obligation you do, about not carve, mark, etc etc and the words movable and immovable .. but out obligations here are interpreted within a pretty open culture... I only have to worry about two things around this 1. my conscious and 2. holding my secrets so as to remain in good standing.. I would type me whole obligation out with a couple of blanks and still be on safe group, but I am a comparability old war horse on these thing who have had some "quality chats" with GMs about some of my writings -
     
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  5. Bill Lins

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    For "experienced" Master Masons, the Word is "Mo-Trin"!
     
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  6. JB93

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    No actually I am not wrong. My statements are far from incorrect. I just dont feel like going back and forward.
     
  7. MarkR

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    I won't say you're wrong, because I don't know the rules of your jurisdiction. I will say that the Minnesota Masonic Manual clearly makes the symbols monitorial, meaning NOT secret.

    I am always amazed at how many people can quote part of the EA obligation, but just don't understand what it is saying, because you left out the last part of that phrase , the part that says "whereby." It's only a violation to do any of those things if they result in revealing the secrets. And I don't know of any jurisdiction that treats the S&C, in and of itself, as a secret, now or in the past.
     
  8. Travelling Man91

    Travelling Man91 Registered User

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    That's what I'm getting at. The signs are for recognition
     
  9. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

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    Exactly, plus the symbols can mean different things in various circumstances.
    Lol...naproxen for me.
     
  10. dfreybur

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    When I heard moveable I understood it referred to a printing press, versus carving into or writing on a fixed wall.
     
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  11. Bill Lins

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    JB93 stated "No actually I am not wrong. My statements are far from incorrect. I just dont feel like going back and forward."
    Your statements may be correct in your own jurisdiction. My point is that you tend to make blanket statements that are demonstrably incorrect in others.
     
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  12. Warrior1256

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    Agreed.
     
  13. Bloke

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    It's why i'm often saying " here" in my posts to make it clear/remind that my statements are not blanket
     
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  14. JB93

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    I never said we couldn't wear our S&C. Someone said we shouldnt use signs in public to get attention from another mason because our obligation stats we shouldn't use our signs in public, which it does not say we cant use our signs to flag another brother. My point is if you are going to use our obligation to justify certain behavior, then apply it for everything.. no matter what yall are saying. A immovable object is what it is and I see masons publicly wearing it.. to sum up what I am saying. IM BASICALLY PROVING MY POINT THAT WE CAN USE SIGNS IN PUBLIC TO ANOTHER BROTHER. But thanks to everyone for clearing up the difference in jurisdictions. I understand now
     
  15. Ripcord22A

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    I see where your confusion is now brother. You are confusing the movable and immovable furniture of the lodge and a movable or immovable object.


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  16. JB93

    JB93 Registered User

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    Correct bro. Everything is clear on my end now. You cant learn if you dont speak right lol
     
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  17. Ripcord22A

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    Alright so you now understand that an immovable object as reffered to in the obligation is like a building or tree and a movable is like a notebook

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  18. Warrior1256

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    With my track record I'm certainly not going to be critical of someone for getting confused, lol.
     
  19. Ripcord22A

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    A few days ago I posted a Picture of a couple Tshirts one of which I had purchased, They are from a line called "not So secret Society" from a brand by the name of Stead Fast Brand. on Saturday evening I saw a young man wearing the Tank top version of the one I bought at the Gym. Being that there is only 2 lodges here in town and I know most of the Younger Members, I was fairly certain he wasn't a Freemason. In between sets I approached him and asked if he was a Freemason. he looked at me kinda silly and I told him the reason why I asked was because of his shirt. He pointed to a triangle with the "All seeing Eye" and said "Cause of this?" I said "no, the Square and Compasses. Im a freemason and it caught my eye and I actually just bought the Tshirt version yesterday." he then said "Oh no Im not a freemason I just thought it looked cool" to which I replied "oh alright Cool man, have a good rest of your workout"

    Another time I was paying for a haircut at a local Babershop here and I picked up the barbers business cards and on them the straight razor and scissors were placed to look like the S&C, I was new to town and still looking for brothers, so I asked if he was a Mason at first he said yes and after talking to him and some of his answers to my questions had us both confused I realized that he thought I was talking about Operative Masons. His whole family are Stone workers.

    Neither time did I chastise either of these men or try to "take their Light" and ya know why? because as Freemasons we are taught to constantly chip away at our rough edges and by getting upset at someone for wearing or using a symbol that is not copy righted and trying to take someones property surly isn't masonic.
     
  20. Warrior1256

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    Agreed! Not too long ago I saw a young man wearing a wind breaker with the S & C. I introduced myself and asked what lodge he belonged to. He didn't understand what I was talking about. I explained and he informed me that the jacket belonged to a friend of his and that he was not a Mason. I then told him to have a nice day. I wondered if the friend that he borrowed the jacket from was a Freemason, and, if so, why he would let a non-Mason wear his jacket.
     
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