Necessity of a Tyler

Discussion in 'Officers of the Lodge' started by hanzosbm, Sep 4, 2015.

  1. Glen Cook

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    The degree was put on in full. Don't know why it would require a dispensation.
     
  2. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    And there we were, me and Custer...
     
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  3. LAMason

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    In Louisiana 5 (used to be 7) are required to conduct any business, so it would have required a special dispensation from the Grand Master to put on a degree with only 3.
     
  4. dfreybur

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    I am a member of a jurisdiction where the tiler has no lines. I am also a member of a jurisdiction where the tiler does have lines. Very similar words spoken by a different officer. That sort of variation happens often jurisdiction to jurisdiction.

    My mother lodge in California does this. The tiler is (or was) an elderly brother who liked being in lodge buildings chatting with brothers. He donated the pay to charity.

    This was approved as a change in the ritual during the time I was actively moving through the line in 2 of my 3 jurisdictions. Not sure how many US jurisdictions have the open yet but I think it's a lot of them now. Once the meeting is open the tiler is invited to tile from within. He takes a seat in the doorway or very close to the doorway.

    In California and Illinois the GL supplies standardized bylaws to their lodges. Lodges can change various details. The standard document gives 7 as the quorum to open any meeting. So in those two states it would take a dispensation to open with the ancient minimum number for an FC or MM degree. I have been at meetings with the minimum for the quorum and a small number of meetings were we failed to reach quorum.
     
  5. Warrior1256

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    In my lodges after the opening of the lodge the Tyler is invited in.
     
  6. Glen Cook

    Glen Cook G A Cook Site Benefactor

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    I was in Utah. MM degree only requires 3 in Utah.
     
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  7. montkun

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    There were 15 at my raising representing multiple lodges, but I know 7 is the minimum to conduct business in my lodge. I don't remember the Tyler having any real parts of any of my degrees other than watching the door from the outside. Since he's "outside" of the meeting, he's not considered present to anyone other than the Junior Deacon. If I understand that duty correctly.
     
  8. Bill Lins

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    To which Grand Lodge do you belong?
     
  9. coachn

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    They don't have the Musician called out either, which, as a lodge officer, is not explained -- even though he is a part of the activities within the lodge AND Music is espoused in the staircase lecture for obvious reasons. <sigh>
     
  10. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Excellent response Bro.!

    The assumption that the Society is a continuation of Stonecraft Lodges is false and can be proved to be so. The GL era created a theatric franchise using scripts steeped in Stoncraft lore and tradition, but not its reality. This is why SO many things don't make sense. The writers of the scripts didn't come from the Stonecraft world and had to go on documents that, for the most part, were misunderstood by them due to cultural differences between the two worlds. The obligations of stonecraft were taken, rewritten and added to for GL Franchise purposes. All connections to Stonecraft are romantic notions based upon fabricated GL fantasies. There were no old days! But our scripts must be maintained as such to keep the illusion alive. That's the nature of good theater... The show must go on!
     
  11. montkun

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    Most Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania.
     
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  12. Warrior1256

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    Same here in Kentucky.
     
  13. Lazza21

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    In UGLE Three Rule a Lodge, Five Hold A Lodge, Seven or more make it perfect. The Tyler is responsible for preparing candidates and informing those
    inside the Lodge of late arrivals and more and the presence of the prepared candidate. I am about to take up the post of my Lodge meeting in London having served my year as IPM. Many Lodges have paid Tylers as he doesn't have to be a Lodge member.
     
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  14. Mike Martin

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    I think that so far in this topic there has been a very heavy focus on opening a Lodge to Initiate, Pass or Raise Candidates. That is not the only work of a Lodge, they are also opened for other business such as the education of the brethren ie Lectures and presentations of various types.
     
  15. Bloke

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    MM, FC & EA - all masonic "ranks". Tyler is not a rank it is an office. When opening, with the "perfect" amount, we might have a Deacon or an inner guard, but they are not mentioned when describing a lodge as "perfect"... hence I dont see a conflict myself because the statement to which (I think) you refer is about the experience of the brethren rather than the office (Although, here it is the Master, two wardens and a number of FCs and EAs which make a lodge "perfect".

    Here the tyler has lines at the door when candidates for degrees are admitted and also on the opening of the lodge. (It's based on Emulation for those curious). Here, the JW describes his Jewel and duties.

    Yes, we have opened with a "perfect" number for business (which is conducted in the first degree not in the third like many of our American Brothers). For a degree, a perfect number in the lodge would be too few... but we like a challenge and I am sure could pull it off....
     
  16. hanzosbm

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    I was referring to the specific officers required for a lodge of various degrees. Although, it might be different in your jurisdiction.
     
  17. Bloke

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    Sorry Hanzo, it was late and there is two subtle streams in this thread - your very clear question and some bros who appear to me to be thinking of what appears in Emulation's 2nd degree tracing board lecture "Three rule a Lodge: five hold a Lodge: seven or more make it perfect. The three that rule a Lodge are the worshipful ..."

    I probably can't contibute much to this thread without a ritual book in hand... i'll check a few when i get home and i suspect your question will become clearer.

    * crawls back into box for more sleep *
     

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