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Discussion in 'Frequently Asked Questions' started by paul2426, Feb 20, 2016.

  1. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    But I already paid twice and a third and took that degree three times!!!!
     
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  2. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

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    But not in my super-dooper-ancient-accepted-august&supreme Terrestrial lodge which works under the Ex-terrestrial Lodge... you know the one...

    You've been duped.... but I can help... really, I can.... please send me money which I need not only to help pray for your masonic success, but to buy new incense, candles and swords necessary for your advancement...
     
  3. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    <sigh> Okay, I had no idea! Where do I send the money? :oops:
     
  4. Bloke

    Bloke Premium Member

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    I climbed through your window last night and made off with the equivalent and appropriate amount of your personal wealth (at porn shop prices).
     
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  5. Warrior1256

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    Lol....good one.
     
  6. dfreybur

    dfreybur Premium Member

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    The wording is very close to a part near the middle of my long California third degree proficiency.
     
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  7. BullDozer Harrell

    BullDozer Harrell Registered User

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    Whomever is telling you these things are leading you by their own personal opinions and perceptions of Masonry.

    Be cautious and learn to judge Masonry by your own experience. Even great writers of Masonry, like Mackey, Pike, Morris etc can only help you so much.

    You're the best judge for yourself as you experience more Freemasonry.

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  8. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

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    This is exactly what my mentor told me.
     
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  9. Center

    Center Registered User

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    Being Christian is an abstract concept to me. The study of the history of the Christianity taught me that there are more Christian currents, and some of them have differences really remarkable. I think a free thinker, could possibly open himself to the more o less irrational dimension of his faith, but also should question with his marvelous and allegedly limited mind the origin of his own religion, and not accepting it on the base that is born in this way. Is just my personal opinion as seeker of the light and as Christian that studies with respect and unutterable zeal the Judaic tradition, the ancient mysteries and the constitutive and comparative influence on them by the really old western religions. Then I would say cum gran salis and prudence that the concept of Architect is really coincident with my personal opinion of Christian, and also that is claimed by some Freemasons that in some appendant bodies the concept of Christianity can be further become matter of observation, introspection and study. After all Gnosis Seauton(Ken Uzelf, know thyself) was written on the front of the door of a Dutch Masonic temple I visited few months ago.
     
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  10. Derek Harvey

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    For me I assume they use the Gaotu term so as not to offend any brother who may have a different religion. I too am Christian.

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  11. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    You can take it to be for that reason. However, a less PC socially conscious reason is that the GAotU term is merely a denotation for "God" that is in line with the theme of Masonry, which is "Building" and makes the created role-playing game have more continuity for all those involved.
     
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  12. Derek Harvey

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  13. Warrior1256

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    There are many ways to look at one subject.
     
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  14. coachn

    coachn Coach John S. Nagy Premium Member

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    Yep. But when your non-off road tires stray off the well-paved path and onto soft "out of context" and unclear shoulders, you're vehicle is likely to suffer greatly from performance incompatibilities and, by default, so are the passengers.
     
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  15. Warrior1256

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    Sometimes true!
     
  16. David612

    David612 Registered User

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    Ultimately it's my opinion that if you feel that it conflicts with what you perceive to be your duty to your faith no amount of rational reasoning form the internet will help.
    personally, as many have said before me, i believe the term GAOTU is used for the individuals to internally subsitute their own faith to what ever extent they feel is required.
     
  17. SCStrong

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    Well said. I think we, as humans, try too hard to assign a definition to something that in not definable. We try to limit God to our understanding and I think we forget that He is not bound to the laws of physics nor limited by our understanding.
    But, to answer the question:
    I am Christian but I have yet to find anything in Masonry that interferes with my faith and or contradicts it. My understanding is that Masonry is not universal - ist in its approach to God - but it acknowledges that men may approach God differently.

    It does not force one Brother to accept the beliefs of another but instead, allows them to approach their own God without infringing on any other's rights. It lets them approach God together but separately all at the same time.
    It allows us to come together and share a spiritual moment without division.

    ( When I pray in the lodge - I am praying to my God...... the God of Abraham and Jacob - The Christian God - the Father Almighty. If the Brother standing next to me is praying to a different God...... that is his business.)

    Masonry, as it was explained to me, is not a religion as it offers no dogma, no path to salvation, and no theology. It requires a man to believe in a Supreme Being because if a man does not feel obligated to a higher power he has no one / nothing to be accountable to...... Without a God, a man can have not true moral center. ( One man's humble, poorly written opinion) Peace, Brothers
     
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  18. Derek Harvey

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  19. Center

    Center Registered User

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    At this purpose it is just popping up in mind for the few that do not know it, the book from Mario Livio
    The Golden Ratio: The story of Phi, the world's most astonishing number.


    Kinda does not matter if you pray in a Jewish synagogue or in a Buddhist temple, both in Israel and in China the symmetrical geometry of the nature will be the same whatever people is going to preach


    EDIT:Actually there is a bit of math, but quite easy in the book
     
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  20. pointwithinacircle2

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    I recently heard a TED talk which proposed the idea that language is experienced in the left hemisphere and spirituality is experienced in the right side. That the part of the brain that creates descriptions cannot experience spirituality, it can only observe it. Might be worth a listen:
     

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