Companion Joe
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After getting the idea from people's comments here and just knowing the state of the various organizations to which I belong, I started a threat/asked questions on another message board I frequent. It is made up mostly of people who are in their 20s-50s, most of whom are college educated and either journalists or ex journalists.
Here is my initial post:
- I am asking about fraternal organizations, not college frats. By fraternal organization, I mean Freemasonry, Moose Lodge, Elks, Knights of Columbus, etc., not lunchtime business groups such as Rotary, Optimist, Kiwanis, etc.
- It can be either all male, all female, or mixed groups. (I know “fraternal” generally refers to same-sex, but it doesn’t have to hold to the strict definition. I am more interested about the group itself more than the makeup of the group.)
- Neither answer is wrong. I am just seeking honest input opinions. I ask this here because of the diversity of the posters. Thanks in advance.
What is the place of fraternal organizations in the modern world?
Do you belong to a fraternal organization? Why or Why not?
What is your age?
If you do not, what would make your join a fraternal organization?
Here are some selected responses that I offer for your thought:
(41. I am a member of the Knights of Columbus ... Been a member for about 10 years. I joined because when we moved to area I didn't know very many people and the Council home - which has a bar - was also a nice, relatively quiet - and cheap - place to drink and congregate. )
(I did a story on this about 15 years ago, when the chapter of a local organization (the Oddfellows) was looking to sell off its downtown building. That story led to a series on why fraternal organizations were struggling with membership.
This won't be news to you, Shoeless Joe, but the three areas I focused on were:
1. Men change jobs/work different hours/move to different towns more often, compared to previous generations;
2. the role of women is different today, both in society and in families; and
3. People are less social and connected to the community overall (I leaned on the book "Bowling Alone" for this part).
It was a good series then and it's an important research project now, especially for groups like the Masons, KCs, Elks, etc.
Personally, I am 42 and have been approached several times over the years to join the Knights of Columbus, but working desk hours the past 15 years (along with a few reservations about some aspects of Catholic teaching) have prevented it from happening.
Fraternal groups do a lot of good things in the community, and it's a shame to see the decline.)
(I am an Elk. Have been for nine years. I am not very active, though. I used to be a DMO, but we moved outside of town six years ago. If I go to the lodge and have drinks, it's a $60-$70 cab ride to get home. So now I'm not even a DMO. I go to the lodge maybe three-four times in a year.)
(I'm 44 and have never belonged to a fraternal organization in my life. I don't have a particular antipathy for them. I just never saw the need. Then again, I never joined a fraternity or the military. I've had other activities that have filled the need for community involvement and connection, I guess. Perhaps I was influenced by the fact my father never joined any of these organizations, either. However, in my area of Chicago, the Knights of Columbus seems fairly strong, but that's also because the Catholic church, despite its overall decline, is still very powerful and influential there.)
(Working at a newspaper, I avoided buddying-up with fraternal organizations because I was afraid they'd try to get me to put something in the paper that was probably self-serving and not really newsworthy. How do you say no to your "brother?" That said, my uncle was an Eagle ("You bet your sweet ass I am"). I went to his lodge when he was installed as the Aire president or whatever they call it. The ceremony was so hokey my real brother and I almost fell down laughing a bunch of times. Guys wearing robes and turbans and those Arabian nights shoes with the toes that curl up, dancing around in a circle. But we didn't have to buy one drink that night. Later, I was on a dart team and through circumstances, we wound up using a different Eagles hall as our home bar. They couldn't have been nicer to us. But my strongest consideration for never wanting to join was the newspaper vs. fraternity aspect.)
(I thought part of the decline of the various fraternal groups was also due to the rise of the government welfare state. If the government was going to provide a safety net, there was less of a need for the safety net that fraternal organizations could provide for you.)
(I was invited to join the Elks years ago. As I was filling out the application, one of the questions was "Do you believe in God?" I do, but did not want to join an organization where that matters.)
(I joined Elks lodge when I was still with the newspaper. I don't believe in god, but I lied on the application.) *This guy is a real prize. My words.*
(My brother is a Mason. He's in his early 40s. The way he describes it sounds pretty appealing -- it's just hard to find time with a full-time teaching job, a busy writing gig on the side, two young kids and a wife that also works full time though he has similar pressures.)
Here is my initial post:
- I am asking about fraternal organizations, not college frats. By fraternal organization, I mean Freemasonry, Moose Lodge, Elks, Knights of Columbus, etc., not lunchtime business groups such as Rotary, Optimist, Kiwanis, etc.
- It can be either all male, all female, or mixed groups. (I know “fraternal” generally refers to same-sex, but it doesn’t have to hold to the strict definition. I am more interested about the group itself more than the makeup of the group.)
- Neither answer is wrong. I am just seeking honest input opinions. I ask this here because of the diversity of the posters. Thanks in advance.
What is the place of fraternal organizations in the modern world?
Do you belong to a fraternal organization? Why or Why not?
What is your age?
If you do not, what would make your join a fraternal organization?
Here are some selected responses that I offer for your thought:
(41. I am a member of the Knights of Columbus ... Been a member for about 10 years. I joined because when we moved to area I didn't know very many people and the Council home - which has a bar - was also a nice, relatively quiet - and cheap - place to drink and congregate. )
(I did a story on this about 15 years ago, when the chapter of a local organization (the Oddfellows) was looking to sell off its downtown building. That story led to a series on why fraternal organizations were struggling with membership.
This won't be news to you, Shoeless Joe, but the three areas I focused on were:
1. Men change jobs/work different hours/move to different towns more often, compared to previous generations;
2. the role of women is different today, both in society and in families; and
3. People are less social and connected to the community overall (I leaned on the book "Bowling Alone" for this part).
It was a good series then and it's an important research project now, especially for groups like the Masons, KCs, Elks, etc.
Personally, I am 42 and have been approached several times over the years to join the Knights of Columbus, but working desk hours the past 15 years (along with a few reservations about some aspects of Catholic teaching) have prevented it from happening.
Fraternal groups do a lot of good things in the community, and it's a shame to see the decline.)
(I am an Elk. Have been for nine years. I am not very active, though. I used to be a DMO, but we moved outside of town six years ago. If I go to the lodge and have drinks, it's a $60-$70 cab ride to get home. So now I'm not even a DMO. I go to the lodge maybe three-four times in a year.)
(I'm 44 and have never belonged to a fraternal organization in my life. I don't have a particular antipathy for them. I just never saw the need. Then again, I never joined a fraternity or the military. I've had other activities that have filled the need for community involvement and connection, I guess. Perhaps I was influenced by the fact my father never joined any of these organizations, either. However, in my area of Chicago, the Knights of Columbus seems fairly strong, but that's also because the Catholic church, despite its overall decline, is still very powerful and influential there.)
(Working at a newspaper, I avoided buddying-up with fraternal organizations because I was afraid they'd try to get me to put something in the paper that was probably self-serving and not really newsworthy. How do you say no to your "brother?" That said, my uncle was an Eagle ("You bet your sweet ass I am"). I went to his lodge when he was installed as the Aire president or whatever they call it. The ceremony was so hokey my real brother and I almost fell down laughing a bunch of times. Guys wearing robes and turbans and those Arabian nights shoes with the toes that curl up, dancing around in a circle. But we didn't have to buy one drink that night. Later, I was on a dart team and through circumstances, we wound up using a different Eagles hall as our home bar. They couldn't have been nicer to us. But my strongest consideration for never wanting to join was the newspaper vs. fraternity aspect.)
(I thought part of the decline of the various fraternal groups was also due to the rise of the government welfare state. If the government was going to provide a safety net, there was less of a need for the safety net that fraternal organizations could provide for you.)
(I was invited to join the Elks years ago. As I was filling out the application, one of the questions was "Do you believe in God?" I do, but did not want to join an organization where that matters.)
(I joined Elks lodge when I was still with the newspaper. I don't believe in god, but I lied on the application.) *This guy is a real prize. My words.*
(My brother is a Mason. He's in his early 40s. The way he describes it sounds pretty appealing -- it's just hard to find time with a full-time teaching job, a busy writing gig on the side, two young kids and a wife that also works full time though he has similar pressures.)
