When visiting a lodge for first time.........

Discussion in 'General Freemasonry Discussion' started by Plustax, Apr 4, 2011.

  1. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

    4,323
    1,113
    183
    Hope to see you again, & soon!
     
  2. dfreybur

    dfreybur Premium Member

    3,935
    2,378
    133
    The California version of the Tyler's Oath is part of the third degree proficiency. Which is optional unless you get elected to a lodge office. It being a part of the extremely long California MM proficiency it's shorter than other versions I've learned.

    When I first started visiting in Texas I asked to recite it and they had no idea how to react.
     
    Bloke and MarkR like this.
  3. Keith C

    Keith C Registered User

    770
    885
    93
    I have yet to visit a lodge outside of PA.. I guess I will find out.

    When we have visitors from outside PA, we have to see their dues card, check with the Secretary that PA recognizes their jurisdiction, then examine them with a couple questions any MM can answer and have them show the FPOF and the adopted word. Then we administer an Oath which is read by the Chair of the Examining Committee and repeated by the visitor.
     
    MarkR and Warrior1256 like this.
  4. dfreybur

    dfreybur Premium Member

    3,935
    2,378
    133
    So your jurisdiction calls it by some name other than "Tyler's Oath" but it is still, in fact, the same thing.

    I've seen similar in claims that some jurisdictions don't use dues cards and therefore don't accept dues cards. But they do accept a signed embossed document printed by a recognized jurisdiction and signed by both the member and the lodge's secretary. "Here's my dues card." "We don't take dues cards." "What do you take?" "We take a signed embossed document printed by a recognized jurisdiction and signed by both the member and the lodge's secretary." "Okay, here's a document that is all that stuff but is not what you would cal a dues card." (Hands over dues card).
     
    Symthrell, MarkR and Warrior1256 like this.
  5. Keith C

    Keith C Registered User

    770
    885
    93
    Having never been informed of the content of the "Tyler's Oath" I personally can't say for sure, but others I have spoken to from PA who have traveled to other jurisdictions have told me the content of the oaths are very different. That and the fact that we do not memorize ours makes me wonder what would happen if I were to attempt to visit a lodge in Texas, or other jurisdictions that expect a visiting MM to be able to recite their oath from memory.
     
  6. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

    7,185
    3,240
    183
    Same here. I haven't visited outside of Kentucky.
    LOL!!!!!!
     
  7. Elexir

    Elexir Registered User

    634
    484
    63
    I think the reason the term dues card is not used is becuse the term is unknown. Here in Sweden we have a membership card that is electronic thats not changed over the years unless you lose it.
     
  8. acjohnson53

    acjohnson53 Registered User

    842
    715
    93
    When I visit a LOdge for the first time, I always extend myself to assist on any activity that the Lodge as going on, and try understand the Law of the Lodge ie. Degree work, sit in a seat and what not....I try to leave with a lasting impression of what it is to be a Master Mason, because I am an extension of my Lodge....
     
    Warrior1256 and MarkR like this.
  9. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

    7,185
    3,240
    183
    Excellent point. I feel exactly the same way.
     
  10. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

    4,323
    1,113
    183
    In practice, we don't expect everyone to recite the Oath from memory. The visitor & the examining committee members each hold one corner of a VSL while giving the Oath in a "repeat after me" manner. Thus, the visitor is swearing upon the VSL that he is worthy & qualified to enter. If that's not good enough, I don't know what would be.
     
    MarkR likes this.
  11. Keith C

    Keith C Registered User

    770
    885
    93
    That makes total sense and is essentially what we do as well. That is not what other Brothers from Texas have indicated is done at their Lodge.
     
    Warrior1256 likes this.
  12. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

    7,185
    3,240
    183
    ...or in Kentucky. Here reciting the Tyler's Oath by memory is part of the trial.
     
  13. MarkR

    MarkR Premium Member

    1,002
    815
    133
    So, if I were to try to visit a Kentucky lodge, I'd be turned away because I don't have the Tyler's Oath memorized?
     
  14. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

    7,185
    3,240
    183
    No. It would be taken into consideration that you were from another jurisdiction and other questions would be asked instead.
     
    MarkR likes this.
  15. texanmason

    texanmason Registered User

    52
    34
    18
    I can't speak for Kentucky, but here in Texas, I've done much more free-form examinations for brethren from Jurisdictions that don't use the Tyler's Oath (or do not require memorizing it).
     
    MarkR likes this.
  16. acjohnson53

    acjohnson53 Registered User

    842
    715
    93
    if a Brother comes to visit out of know where of course it would impress me to see him walk the Tyler, but if invited by another Brother from that Lodge, then that Brother is vouching for that visiting Brother,, also I am always trying to get them Past Masters to Walk the Tylers Sword....
     
  17. Warrior1256

    Warrior1256 Site Benefactor

    7,185
    3,240
    183
    I am not familiar with these terms Brother. For my education could you explain them?
     
  18. hfmm97

    hfmm97 Premium Member

    451
    214
    63
    I believe that test is specific to PHA and may involve esoteric work...we do not do that test as part of admission into a Waco MWGLofTX lodge


    Sent from my iPhone using My Freemasonry mobile app
     
  19. Bill Lins

    Bill Lins Moderating Staff Staff Member

    4,323
    1,113
    183
    Those "other Brothers" would do well to check with the Committee on Work or, better yet, attend some of the Forums the Committee conducts around our state. They could then learn the prescribed procedure.
     
    CLewey44 likes this.
  20. Elexir

    Elexir Registered User

    634
    484
    63
    So GL of Texas should define what the PHAGL of Texas should do?
     

Share My Freemasonry