Women In Masonry - Spin-Off

Discussion in 'The Voting Booth' started by owls84, Jul 21, 2009.

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Do women deserve their own, women only, organization?

  1. Of Coarse, why does a man HAVE to be present at thier meetings?

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  2. No way. I want to be apart of what they do too. It may be better.

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  3. No they have OES. That's all they need.

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  4. Doesn't matter to you.

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  1. rhitland

    rhitland Founding Member Premium Member

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    comparing a women to an atheist is a bit like apple to oranges. I would propose that an atheist would have no desire to join a God loving/fearing community but a women very well would.
     
  2. cemab4y

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    There are Women Freemasons. There have been such organizations for many years. See www.co-masonry.org There is a lodge in Maryland, I have met one of their members.
     
  3. ARizo1011

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    I think the eastern star is good enough. No offense to women.. But it's a brotherhood... Hence... BROTHERHOOD


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  4. r.parfait

    r.parfait Registered User

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    I strongly concur! That is why i knocked. Iron sharpens iron!


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  5. Will Pots

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    Good point.


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  6. dtobecker

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    Women can have all kinds of fraternities, clubs, meetings etc. pp.

    But they should not be called Freemasons. I believe this happens only in France and the US...



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  7. MajaOES

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    The issue is that there are Masonic affiliated organizations that have only women. Daughters of Mokanna which is part of the Grotto, Daughters of the Nile which shares ties with the Shrine, and Ladies of Oriental Shrine of North America which again shares ties with the Shrine, Social Order of the Beauceant is also an all womens organization that aligns with the Knights Templar. The only organizations that have both men and women in them are Eastern Star and the Order of Amaranth. So in response to your question I put yes because these types of organization exist. In the structure and organization of Masonry in Texas, even if women had their own organization, it would still need to be recognized by the Grand Lodge to call it a masonic body. This being said there is always an alignment or affiliation with some all male organization in order for the group to be accepted.
     
  8. jaermani

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    It just would not be right, it's the brotherhood not the sisterhood.


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  9. jnjones86

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    There is no such thing as a women Freemason because it is a fraternity not a sorority, the ritual isn't compatible and hormones would have ruined the harmony long ago. There are groups of women who call themselves Freemasons but the fact of the matter is that they really aren't and just use our name and symbols. Obviously they don't have the real rituals or obligation or they'd see the conundrum. Plus if someone tried to change the landmarks and allow women in, they'd break their obligation and have to suffer the penalty of unmasonic conduct.


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  10. bro_reggie

    bro_reggie Registered User

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    a woman can never be a mason
     
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  11. LittleHunter

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    As much as I believe in equality and as much as I support women's rights I believe it is healthy for society for men and women to have some separate spaces. There are some mysteries men and women can and should explore together and there are some that they should explore apart. We've lost the meaning of manhood in our culture. We need spaces where men can support one another without competing with or over women. This is one of the valuable civilizing functions regular Freemasonry affords.


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  12. BryanMaloney

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    Yeah, I can just see this conversation:
    Me: "Meine Schaetzchen, I forbid you from joining or forming any sort of independent sorority that is only for women."
    Her: "Why did you volunteer to sleep with the chickens from now on?"

    If my wife wants to join or become a founder of a free-standing, independent sororal organization, there is no way I could object. Likewise, if they have an initiatory structure, don't allow men to join, and have esoteric practices, what of it?

    It is not the place of Freemasonry to dictate what women do entirely among themselves, any more than it would be the place of a sororal organization to dictate what men do among ourselves. So long as it does not impinge upon life outside the fraternity or sorority, what is the point of debating the issue?

    One might as well ask, as Americans, if the Swedes are to be permitted to hold their political elections every three years, in the month of March. It's simply not our business to decide that issue.
     
  13. BryanMaloney

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    Speaking as a neuroscientist (look me up in Medline, lots of work in the Alzheimer's field, in particular), I disagree. Human intelligence does have gender, no matter what political propagandists might claim. Male and female human brains develop differently, and much of that difference is biologically originated. Social conditioning certainly has an effect, but it's not nearly as malleable as certain dogmatics want us to believe. Biology matters. Ignore it at your peril. Of course, only a fool would conclude that we should let biology dictate everything, but it is both foolish and futile to pretend it isn't there.
     
  14. BryanMaloney

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    There is no need for any affiliation with any Grand Lodge for any group, no matter how wacky, to call itself "Freemasonry". This has been very well established. But why bother with that? What does flying the Masonic Flag without a legitimate living historical tie do? I am once again reminded of the plethora of little churches in the USA that tout enormous and elaborate "lines of Apostolic succession", often from multiple sources. They don't mention that, in every one of these "lines" there was a formal loss of recognition. What these groups gain from this is the ability to impress the credulous and the ignorant, who do not understand that legitimacy is a matter of maintaining and continuing live connections, not a matter of having at one time been led or founded by somebody who used to have a connection but then forfeited it.
     
  15. BryanMaloney

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    Freemasonry is esoteric. Otherwise, we would not have the Obligation as it is. The so-called "Illuminati" started in the late 18th century by Adam Weishaupt. Thus, even by the most conservative estimates, the Illuminati is at least a century younger than Freemasonry. Freemasonry has nothing to do with or against the "Mass", if by "Mass" you mean Roman Catholic liturgetics. Freemasonry is not an anti-Catholic organization. As for "purges"--that's the language used by Stalinists. Freemasonry is not an organization that imposes dogmatic uniformity. Purges are for political parties, and Freemasonry is not a political party.
     
  16. dfreybur

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    In some jurisdictions when the officers are asked if all present are Masons as a part of the tiling and opening, that's called a purge. The room is purged of people who are not qualified.

    What that has to do with the tea party in Boston, Mass two and a half centuries ago I won't guess.
     
  17. BryanMaloney

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    "We must purge our home" is no synonym with "Tyling the Lodge".
     
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  19. ARizo1011

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    Imagine having a worshipful master as a woman and that day is her "time of the month" now that would be a hell of a night. xD

    I rather just have men. But I have had some brothers visit my lodge from outside the U.S and they say that women in masonry already exists. And I don't mean the women orders I mean Freemasonry they do the EA FC and MM just like is men. It's not a big deal.. But I rather just have a group of men and the wives meet at well and we all have dinner then the men go up to do their work and the women stay downstairs knitting or what not. ;)
     
  20. Levelhead

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    Hmm where are these people from? Because from my knowledge only "co masonry" (which is considered clandestine) and a lodge in England and i THINK one in France (regular lodges) have women.

    I was watching a show on freemasonry and there was a woman from England on it and she had a big old square & compass medallion around her neck and was speaking about the craft.



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