Really! Any safer there?
Oh. no- you ain't throwin' me in THAT briar patch! :48:
Really! Any safer there?
Really nothing like a woman's touch ... or logic!
Thanks Maja.
And if a person or his/her Lodge is considered clandestine and irregular, then I don't consider them Freemasons. They are people claiming to be Freemasons, but they're not.There are women Freemasons. See http://www.co-masonry.org
There are lodges that are for women only, and there are lodges that accept both men and women. None of these organizations are recognized by the mother Grand Lodge of England, and all of them are considered "Clandestine and Irregular".
Mark r... I agree to an extent but....Would you consider PHA non masons then???
RHS
PHA is not considered irregular though
Hah yeah. I meant PHA is not irregular as a generality. There are certainly irregular PHA lodges though.
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PHA is not irregular in any sense....the NGL (National Compact or PHO) is irregular being that the GLs in each state are not sovereign..they have National Grand Titles which are over the GM...now there is a group that has broken off from PHO which styles themselves PHT (Prince Hall Tradition)..this group allows women into their org..
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They are some jurisdictions that have deemed PHA and any other body of freemasons in their state as clandestine because of the doctrine of ETJ (at least that's what they say) but in my opinion its a load of crock
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Opinions or not, Prince Hall or Mainstream, irregularity depends on being recognized. Jurisdictional guidelines for each of our Jurisdictions dictate recognition. We must, as free men and Masons abide by our Grand Lodge's Laws and Edicts.
No one here on this site is stating that one recognized Grand Lodge is better than the other.
Bro Stewart...I have to partially disagree with you...Irregularity does not depend on being recognized....The UGLE has recognized PHA as being a regular masonic body but will only recognize it in each state if the GLoState agrees to share the state territory because it chooses to not interfere with the ongoing matters here in the states...This leaves out 9 states that have yet to be recognized by their mainstream brethren. ..the excuse is ETJ...now in the case of the PHGLoAlaska..it was formed before the mainstream GL but because the UGLE did not recognize PHA it chose to recognize the mainstream one..
Regardless. We must uphold the Laws and Edicts of our own Jurisdictions, work to make changes, OR join the other(s).
It takes time to change. 99.82% is not a bad start.
Regardless. We must uphold the Laws and Edicts of our own Jurisdictions, work to make changes, OR join the other(s).
It takes time to change. 99.82% is not a bad start.