Dontrell Stroman
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I understand that in the early 1700 or 1800s there was a split in freemasonry. I'm wondering if there is much of a difference in F&AM verses AF&AM in today's time ?
Indeed, plus AFM (SC) and Utah which was AF&AM and became F&AM....
Detailed differences in ritual within our branch of the family are more about how expansion happened as the colonies became states and then expanded west.
Indeed, plus AFM (SC) and Utah which was AF&AM and became F&AM.
Umm....see above posts?I'm aware of the difference in Prince Hall Masonry, but I'm speaking in reference to "mainstream" masonry ?
Not all my brother, the AF&AM in fl actually broke off from the F&AM, most, if not all of the others, what y'all call PHO, were started by masons that been had been suspended or expelled for unmasonic conduct. Search for " a living schism" it was written by our most recent PGM.In Prince Hall there's a big difference. All of the jurisdictions that have continuous traceable lineage to African 459 are F&AM so AF&AM automatically means a jurisdiction that is never going to be generally recognized.
In what I call George Washington for lack of an accepted term the difference is purely cosmetic. There exist regular and recognized jurisdictions that have more descent from the Moderns but use AF&AM. There exist regular and recognized jurisdictions that have more descent from the Antients but use F&AM.
Detailed differences in ritual within our branch of the family are more about how expansion happened as the colonies became states and then expanded west.
Not all my brother, the AF&AM in fl actually broke off from the F&AM, most, if not all of the others, what y'all call PHO, were started by masons that been had been suspended or expelled for unmasonic conduct. Search for " a living schism" it was written by our most recent PGM.
Parts of the Masonic world work on the "Highlander" principle - There can only be one.
Maybe we can move to an even more open system, sort of like a plywood model. Several overlapping jurisdictions in any one geography.
I have no idea how such a system would work as it would have to resist drifting towards chaos ...
So I am suggesting that MWPHGLofAR be recognized in spite of lack of local recognition.
So, what other jurisdictions do you think should be recognized?
Yet, you suggest creating an artificial crisis that would precipitate just such chaos.
If GLofAK pulled recognition from one or more of my 3 jurisdictions most Masons in the country would just laugh at them. The loss would be theirs.
What I wonder about is discussing regularity of a small number of PHA branches that diverged recently as long as they (unlike PHO) have been operating continuously.
What I wonder about is discussing regularity of a small number of PHA branches that diverged recently
A year or two before California recognized PHA one of the GLs in Mexico asked permission to charter a Spanish speaking lodge in the state of California near the border. The location has a Spanish speaking majority and the only California lodge authorized to work in Spanish is nowhere near there. They asked permission according to ancient tradition. Generosity prevailed and permission was granted.
You probably would be surprised on how it would play out if you tried to force a recognition crisis by recognizing a PHA Grand Lodge not recognized by that State.
Brother Dfreybur GLoAK? Aee u refering to alaska or arkansas? AK is alaska and u speak of alaska but then you speak of the issues that arkansas is having woth the shrine... Im so confused
And which ones would that be?
What is the name of the Lodge and Grand Lodge that Chartered it, also what year was it chartered?