Interested in Freemasonry

Discussion in 'Becoming a Freemason' started by Kayden, Feb 9, 2018.

  1. Kayden

    Kayden Registered User

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    Hello all,
    As the subject already stated; I've taken an interest into freemasonry within the last few weeks, however due to my age (in my teens), I understand that I would need to be in DeMolay or another Youth Organization in order to become involved however, before becoming an adult or proper age to enter my local lodge; Namely interested in bettering myself, as well as the fraternity in general. Aside from that I had a couple of questions, mostly pertaining to entering Law Enforcement in the future (already entering into my local sheriff's office explorers as well as applying for the High School Internship program within my State's Highway Patrol):
    • Would Freemasonry cause issues with your integrity in Law Enforcement namely in one occurrence that I heard:
    • During background checks upon entering into any Law Enforcement department, would Freemasonry be considered as a possible issue for them? Although you are partaking in it outside of the department it still effects you in the department regardless.
    • On an integrity part, would I be unjustly looked at more so than someone else, for say a promotion just because I am a Freemason? (I would not want to be looked upon higher than someone else, just because of an organization I involve myself in that does not relate to the department)
    Thank you in advance for any responses
    P.S. Feel free to add anything else to your response terms of Youth Organizations if you have something to add!
     
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  2. Glen Cook

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    In the United States I don’t believe freemasonry would affect a career in law-enforcement.
     
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  3. Kayden

    Kayden Registered User

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    I assumed not; Just was something to consider.
     
  4. LeoValMer05

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    • During background checks upon entering into any Law Enforcement department, would Freemasonry be considered as a possible issue for them? Although you are partaking in it outside of the department it still effects you in the department regardless.
    While Freemasonry would not be an issue for the Law Enforcement department, you must remember that maybe someone within the department, and anywhere else in general, can have a mislead view or negative view about Freemasonry. This is most likely a religious extremist person, or some conspirator nut. Why I warn you about it? Because, while it might not affect you professionally, it might affect you personally and one must be prepared to be confronted.
    • On an integrity part, would I be unjustly looked at more so than someone else, for say a promotion just because I am a Freemason? (I would not want to be looked upon higher than someone else, just because of an organization I involve myself in that does not relate to the department)
    This question is partially answered with my previous response. While there is a higher chance that this will not be the case, some anti-Freemasons come to the deluded and wrong conclusion that a Freemason is integrally corrupted. Their ignorance are more annoying than anything else, but don't fear on calling them out if they try to affect you professionally or personally.

    The best of luck on your professional and masonic future. :)
     
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  5. Seanharris

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    Sir that true

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  6. Bro. Stewart P.M.

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    I personally have never heard of it being an issue. In fact, I know many Brothers who are active in law enforcement. We have even raised a few Brothers with all LEO Degree teams.

    No worries .
     
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  7. Kayden

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    Thank you very much for your well thought out response,
    I think you are correct on it being that Freemasonry typically has a strong negative view from religious extremists and conspirator nuts, hell its really why I hadn't sought out Freemasonry sooner, not to get too personal but my mother has always been very "conspiracy theorist" and taking Christianity to the "Religious Extreme", and typically whenever I would bring up Freemasonry because I was interested in it, would say something or another that it was secretive and satanic; However I'm glad I ultimately have taken my own view to Freemasonry and sought out this forum to learn more about it, and how it really is.
    Anyways moving on from that to the actual topic, I agree, in terms of being in Law Enforcement, or anything professional, it depends on who you are speaking to, and even if something does happen, there is always a way to resolve it personally and professionally.
     
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  8. Kayden

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    Speaking on LEO Degree Teams, I had only briefly seen some mentions about it, and only very small explanation about them after googling it; Would you be willing to define it a bit better?
    Thank you in advance.
     
  9. dfreybur

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    Thank God for the antis, I say.

    It's said that you can't learn everything about a man by his friends and enemies, but that you can learn a lot. In particular you can learn more about a man by who his enemies are than by who his friends are.

    Think about who chose to be our enemies. Fanatical theocrats and their dupes. Fanatical tyrants and their dupes. Lunatic conspiracy theorists. Liars and hysterics. Very rarely anyone in person meaning the vast majority of contacts with them are on line using a cowardly veil of anonymity.

    Think about who chose to be our friends. The eminent couple down the street that all the kids call Grandpa and Grandma who have a square and compasses door knocker, Masonic license plates and an assortment of Masonic knickknacks in their living room.
     
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  10. Kayden

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    Not fully sure how I should respond to that, worded it very thoroughly; But I understand what you are saying, in terms of choosing whom you take as an enemy, or friend, as well as how you find out about someone more through knowing that.
     
  11. Bro. Stewart P.M.

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    Not a problem.

    There isn’t as much to it as you may think. Quite literally all the members composing the degree team are active duty Law Enforcement Officers. This is usually done in uniform with aprons and other appropriate regalia and minus some equipment deemed unnecessary for the Lodge Room.
     
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  12. Bloke

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    Many lodges have a focus; for some it's stamp collecting, or singing or cars, or many other their members come from a certain profession, like actors, "traveling salesmen" (basically an anachronism now), accountants, armed forces or police forces. Many might form their own Degree Teams, for instance, here we have the Vietnam Memorial Installation Team, but we also have a Police Install Team as your asking about... people often read a lot into that sort of thing - which is just not there... for instance we have "Lodge Precision" here - most of its members are golfers.. we also have a team where all the members have a Scottish accent :)
     
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  13. dfreybur

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    Your arrow of effect and cause is pointing backwards. It's not us choosing who we take as friends or enemies. They are the ones who do the choosing. We just pay attention.
     
  14. Matt L

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    Kayden, I've been a Police Officer for 30 years. I've worked in every division possible and have never had an issue with me being a Freemason. My son who is 20 and plans a career in federal law enforcement is also a freemason.
    I have never been asked, nor have I asked in an interview board about Freemasonry. I do know in the UK there has been issues and at one time Metro UK Officers were required to reveal their membership.
    I believe being a Freemason has made me a better Man, Husband, Father and Police Officer. I try to live my life by the tenants that are taught in our Fraternity and it has served me well.
    There are Law Enforcement degree teams; meaning if a Police Officer is going through his degrees, a group of Master Masons who are also in law Enforcement will work the degree.
    Good luck to you in your future endeavors, keep in touch and let us know how you're doing.
     
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  15. Warrior1256

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    Agreed. I am a retired correctional officer and at the last institution that I worked the warden was a Freemason.
     
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  16. Kayden

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    Will do! Thanks for the reply.
    I'll likely try to continue looking into my local lodge, Matthew's Lodge 461, as well as possibly entering into a Degree Team in the future rather than a formal "lodge" temple.
    (Just to clarify, I don't mean as in its not formal in terms of how it conducts itself, but in the sense it isn't a Lodge Temple building rather a room)
     
  17. Symthrell

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    Just to make things clear, you would still need to join a lodge. The LEO Degree Team would come to your lodge to assist in the ceremonies for your progression thru your lodge. They aren't specifically a group unto themselves.
     
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  18. Kayden

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    Ah, thank you for explaining that, my mistake.
     
  19. Kayden

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    Just so I don't have three total threads going at once I'll just ask some of my other questions here as well:
    • What is the structure of the Masonic Investigations Committee for a typical lodge, and how exactly do they function? Is it almost alike to an Internal Affairs for Law Enforcement, or a Review Board for a business, or is not a formalized Committee but more rather a "assembled" thing consisting of a few members assigned to doing it for this single time?
    • In terms of what Bloke had said,
      It makes it sound as if there is almost "Clubs" within the Lodge itself, or is it basically just clique type things (but more in a professional manner)?
    • I'm slightly confused on the difference between the York Rite and Scottish Rite above regular Masonic Craft; What are the different Orders and how exactly does it work versus a regular Freemasonry Craft.
     
  20. Elexir

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    You join York and/or schottish rite after you are a master mason (3°) so there is nothing versus craft, you will still have to be a member of a craft lodge.
     

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