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choppersteve03

Premium Member
I have to ask a question here,what is it with texans and the super love for the 1911 and the 45acp? The gun is way outdated,you can get a pistol that shoots 45acp, thats more concealed carry friendly. Why buy a 1911,there heavy and not that great of a gun.
 

Bill Lins

Moderating Staff
Staff Member
The 1911 is a proven man-stopper & as reliable & durable as an anvil. Why do you think the USMC is getting rid of their Berettas & going back to Old Tried & True?
 

Ed Nelson

Registered User
Not a 1911, but .45acp is guaranteed to stop the zombies!
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choppersteve03

Premium Member
Who cares what the marines do,not me. The 45acp round is a man stopper,but the 1911 is a boat anchor as far as iam concerned. And dont even try to say a 9mm has no stoping power,there are some dead tangos in Iraq and Afghanistan that would tell tou different. I was shot down in Afghanistan,and had to fight off tangos till the mike force arrived,9mm did just fine.i think the 1911 is for show offs,if Beretta made an m9 in 45acp i would buy it.
 

Kenneth Lottman

Registered User
Thank you bro. Steve for your service to our country!

And btw the beretta 92/m9 is a fine weapon. I am more partial to the 1911 but I have nothing to say bad about the beretta. I have many customers that are vets and the m9 has kept them alive!
 

Rescue51

Premium Member
I have been a Fire Arms Instructor for 10 plus years now. I teach tactical pistol and rifle courses. My personal favorite pistol is the Beretta M9. I have used it in compititions, tactical situations and overseas. It's never failed me. But, I like every weapon that goes " bang"! I'm also in the process of building a MK18 rifle. It's a shorter version of the M4. It has a 10" barrel, 6 position stock, EOTech sites, same weapon I carried when I was in the military. Fun gun to shoot!

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Brent Heilman

Premium Member
I used to own the .40 S&W version of the M9. Great gun and it shot flawlessly through 1000's of rounds. I carry a .357 Sig now but my fun gun is a 1911. There is a reason it has been around since 1911. It is a very reliable gun that is highly customisable. When you look at the race guns out there a mjority of them are based of the 1911 frame. I won't knock them M9 carried one for years in the military also, but I am ot a big fan of the 9mm round.
 

choppersteve03

Premium Member
I had a Springfield1911 it had to many ftf and fte problems, to me it was very unreliable to trust my life to,so i have had bad experiaces with the 1911 so Iam a bit prejudiced towards them. But if they work for you
 

LukeD

Registered User
The 1911 is a proven man-stopper & as reliable & durable as an anvil. Why do you think the USMC is getting rid of their Berettas & going back to Old Tried & True?

I haven't heard about them going back to the 1911. I was under the impression the four branches stuck to the same caliber to stay on the same page, especially down range. With the exception of some spec ops guys, I've only seen Berettas and Sigs chambered in 9mm for handguns amongst us. Personally, I wish we would switch to the 40 cal, it has the right amount of speed, penetration, and weight in my opinion. The 45 ACP is great, but can be too large and slow. Pretty sure the Tx DPS switched to the Sig chambered in 357 Sig for better performance. Can't say for sure if they were carrying 45 ACP before the switch.
 

Bill Lins

Moderating Staff
Staff Member
Pretty sure the Tx DPS switched to the Sig chambered in 357 Sig for better performance. Can't say for sure if they were carrying 45 ACP before the switch.

As best I recall, uniformed troopers were carrying S&W N-frame .357 revolvers. Non-uniform personnel (CLE) were pretty well allowed to carry anything they could qualify with.
 

Bill Lins

Moderating Staff
Staff Member
I had a Springfield1911 it had to many ftf and fte problems, to me it was very unreliable to trust my life to,so i have had bad experiaces with the 1911 so Iam a bit prejudiced towards them. But if they work for you

OK- now I see what you're saying. My comments were referring specifically to the Colt 1911 & A1, not the clones. Still don't understand why you feel that "1911's are for show-offs", though.
 

Bill Lins

Moderating Staff
Staff Member
I haven't heard about them going back to the 1911.

MEU Recon personnel have been carrying them since around 1985- first rebuilt WWII Colts, then Kimbers.

FBO DAILY ISSUE OF MARCH 19, 2010 FBO #3037
SOURCES SOUGHT

10 -- M45 MEUSOC Pistol

Notice Date 3/17/2010
Notice Type Sources Sought
NAICS 332994 — Small Arms Manufacturing
Contracting Office M67854 MARINE CORPS SYSTEMS COMMAND Quantico, VA
ZIP Code 00000
Solicitation Number M6785410R1064
Response Due 4/16/2010
Archive Date 4/19/2010
Point of Contact Erik Halverson, Contract Specialist
E-Mail Address erik.halverson@usmc.mil
(erik.halverson@usmc.mil)
Small Business Set-Aside N/A
Description THIS IS A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION ONLY AND YOUR RESPONSE IS NOT AN OFFER. THIS REQUEST FOR INFORMATION DOES NOT COMMIT THE GOVERNMENT TO PAY ANY COSTS INCURRED IN PREPARATION OF ANY SUBMISSION TO THIS MARKET SURVEY, OR TO CONTRACT FOR SERVICES. The Marine Corps Systems Command (MARCORSYSCOM), Infantry Weapons Systems, Quantico, Virginia, is seeking feedback on the following: The Marine Corps Systems Command (MCSC) is seeking sources to replenish stocks and meet increased demand for its M45 MEUSOC pistol. There is an interest in a commercial-off-the-shelf (COTS) pistol. MCSC is also investigating moving to a full or partial Contractor Logistics Support (CLS) model. The pistol's operating environment is characterized by high usage in training, rough handling and environments on deployments, and limited access to repair and maintenance resources during high tempo operations. MCSC may procure up to 4,000 units, of which half will be in heavy use/deployed to combat theaters at any given time.MCSC may be interested in a pistol with the following draft characteristics: Semi-automatic,.45 ACP caliber. Single stack magazine must hold at least 7 rounds. It is desirable that the pistol function with the Marine Corps.45 ACP 7-round magazine (NSN 1005-01-373-2774) used in the current MEUSOC pistol. Pistol must have an accessory rail meeting MIL-STD-1913 specifications to mount accessories. It must have a grip safety and an ambidextrous manual safety which are operable by users wearing cold weather and NBC gloves. It has dull, non reflective surfaces and uses standard military colors. It must lock the slide or bolt to the rear after the last round in the magazine is fired. It has a beveled magazine well to facilitate rapid loading. The pistol has a lanyard loop attachment point. It can hold a five shot group to an average of no more than 4 inches by 4 inches at 25 yards. It should be no more than 9 inches in length and weigh less than 4.5 pounds with empty magazine. It has a consistent trigger pull of 5 1 pounds. The pistol can demonstrate reliability of an average minimum of 300 rounds between stoppages and 5,000 rounds between parts failures. Magazines should remain serviceable for at least 3,000 rounds. The pistol will perform reliably after being subjected to standard MIL SPEC environmental tests, drop tests, and temperature extremes. The pistol must demonstrate "drop in" parts interchangeability, with no milling, filing, or fitting required. There shall be no degradation in performance after parts are exchanged. The pistol is resistant to corrosion and chemicals, and is compatible with current military approved small arms cleaning, lubrication, and preservative and storage agents. The pistol must be marked with an Item Unique Identification (IUID) marking, as defined in MIL-STD-130M. The following are specific questions the Government is seeking responses to: 1. If the to-be-published Request for Proposal requires bid samples (estimated to be seven pistols, 6 magazines per pistol, operator and maintainer manuals), are you willing to provide at no cost to the government? 2.Please provide any test data on the durability, reliability and maintainability of your pistol. Are the results from internal testing or independent organizations? 3.What is your current monthly production rate? What is the maximum monthly rate you could manage and still meet quality requirements? How would you ensure quality is not compromised? How long would it take you to meet the maximum rate? 4.What is the market acceptance of your pistol? How long has it been in production? How many units, by year, have been sold? What agencies use your pistol? 5.If you warranty your pistol, what are the terms? How much warranty work is done on candidate pistols? What are the top four warranty issues? 6.Please provide an estimated price for one system consisting of pistol, 6 magazines, and operator manual, assuming a volume buy of your product. 7.Do you provide training or training support to current customers? Please describe. 8.If the MCSC changed to a Contractor Logistics Support strategy, how would you propose to support your pistol? Could you perform a depot level rebuild of your pistol? If so, how many per month could you process? Do you have an estimated cost range to perform rebuild? All contractors who provide goods/services to the DoD must be registered in the Central Contractor Register (CCR). Online Certifications and Representations at (ORCA), http://orca.bpn.gov, will also be required. Failure to comply with ORCA registration may make an offeror ineligible for award. This notice is NOT a request for competitive proposals and no solicitation is currently available. However, interested parties may identify their interest and capability to meet the requirements by providing electronically their commercial/non-developmental brochures or other literature that includes answers to the above-mentioned questions as well as cost and availability data to Erik Halverson at erik.halverson@usmc.mil no later than 4:00 PM Eastern Standard Time on Friday, 16 April, 2010. Companies that desire to submit by mail should address their above information to Marine Corps Systems Command, Infantry Weapons Systems, Attn: Erik Halverson, 2200 Lester Street -Bldg 2203, Quantico, VA 22134-6050. NO TELEPHONE CALLS WILL BE ACCEPTED. Contracting Office Address: M67854 MARINE CORPS SYSTEMS COMMAND Quantico, VA Point of Contact(s): Erik Halverson
 

choppersteve03

Premium Member
The reason i call the 1911 a show off gun,is because you have to carry it cocked but, iam guilty off showing off cus i wear my m9 cocked. Just like on BHD, my finger is my safety,you guys probly thought that was just Hollywood sh-t. ;)
 

robert leachman

Registered User
Texas DPS went from N-frame .357S&W to Sig 9mm and then optional 45acp. They later standardized to 357Sig after researching their shootings.

1911 are not show off guns, that's the way they are designed to be carried! Studies have been done to prove that bad guys tend not challenge cops with cocked and locked pistols, custom grips etc.

Chopper please tell us you are just joking about carrying your M9 w/the hammer back, safety off!
 

Beathard

Premium Member
I carry s Freedom Arms 454 Casull in a 4.75" barrel. With a 400 grain bullet traveling at 1500 fps, I think I can stop just about anything.
 

Rescue51

Premium Member
My wife just gave me the credit card and let me go shopping at Cheaper Then Dirt! I wonder what's up?

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