racism question

Discussion in 'Prince Hall Freemasonry' started by freemasonpha, Oct 21, 2017.

  1. dfreybur

    dfreybur Premium Member

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    You are thinking of immigrants to the American colonies. I am thinking of Irish plantations in Ireland run by conquering Brits of that era. The regiments were recruited from Ireland and they were one way to escape that oppression.
     
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  2. LK600

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    No race has the market cornered on slavery, that's for sure.
     
  3. acjohnson53

    acjohnson53 Registered User

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    Very good conversation...
     
  4. AndreAshlar

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    In world history? You're right. In American history? You're wrong. Blacks have the market cornered.

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  5. LK600

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    I was referring to global, because I do not know of any race that has not held slaves. As for American History, I would not argue with your assertion but I would suggest Native Americans might have a strong argument.
     
  6. Bro Book

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    Globally Africans were the only ones enslaved just because of being black?

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  7. Ripcord22A

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    They weren’t enslaved just for being black, they were enslaved because their Tribal leaders in Africa were willing to sell them to the Slave Traders. I’m sorry but not a SINGLE person alive today knows what being a slave was like, or has been a slave. I speak of those born in America obviously. It’s time we as a people move past it. I’m tired of people claiming that the “white”Americans need to pay reparations to “black” Americans, come on now....


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  8. Bloke

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    ummmm .. I'd love to say slavery is dead - but it continues in some parts of the world my brother... We've even got issues with it here ( http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/20...amp-out-modern-slavery-tabling-report/9234784 - and I know that might fall more in the category of "exploited workers" but the report was about slavery..) but its in the sex trade where true modern slavery is rife.. it's even been found in the USA... human trafficking is alive and well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_trafficking_in_the_United_States & https://www.businessinsider.com.au/a-portrait-of-human-sex-trafficking-in-america-2014-8 - but there is a lot of research in this space.. a niece made me aware of it some years ago when we were talking about prostitution (legal here) when trafficked woman were found in Melbourne brothels.. it's not a nice topic, but many countries, especially first world ones, need to do more on, because it is within out borders.. Horrendous.
     
  9. Ripcord22A

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    Yes brother but I was referring to the “black” slave trade


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  10. LK600

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    Your sentence structure is rather interesting (could be taken more than one way), but to respond to the most obvious... no.

    As a racial group, Black's have been treated like second and third class citizens for over a century. Not generations ago, but within LIVING memory of many people still alive today.

    I tend to not cut people slack for anything to include grouping all white people together as a class and holding them equally responsible for something that happened years ago. Some people call that being insensitive... I tend to call that bullshit. We are all equally responsible for what we say and do to each other. But the history is there. The reality is Blacks may have ample reason to be on guard.
     
  11. Ripcord22A

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    So are the Irish, the Jews, the whites is certain parts of the country, Asians ect ect ect. To blame ones situation on another persons actions is laziness.




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  12. Bro. Stewart P.M.

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    I am going to monitor the direction of this thread very closely.

    This is a topic that can become, and historically has become, very heated. I am going to suggest that the discussion retain a traditional Debate format, remain factual, based upon proven, reliable, and properly cited sources, and lastly free from emotion. This is a subject of modern time, and can be properly discussed among like minded individuals, and Brothers.

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  13. LK600

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    Understood. I'm not sure there's much more I can add to this anyway based on responses. So, I'd agree with your assessment. I respectfully withdraw.
     
  14. MRichard

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  15. Bloke

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    Sort of agree, often its good to compare things to see how they are the same and how they are not, an indentured servant is not a slave, but they are on some sort of scale with freedom on one side and slavery on the other - with indentured servant between the two others... however, modern slavery does exist, and the most common being around the sex trade... but there is one big difference between the African (American) slave trade and modern slavery - the American slave trade as legal and generally socially accepted AND generational. That puts it in a class of its own, especially considering it existed post 1800 and in a society which would have laid claim to the title of "a modern western democracy".

    And I offer my usual disclaimer - I'm a dumb Australian and can approach these topics with a lack of awareness... but I think it is important to talk about modern slavery... if we think it was bad 150 years ago, and it exists today (even if only in some form, not quite the same) it should not be tolerated...
     
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  16. Warrior1256

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    Agreed.
     
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  17. MRichard

    MRichard Mark A. Ri'chard Premium Member

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    I think it is important to discuss racism that is in the craft. People don't want to talk about it but it is a serious problem in some areas.
     
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    Be it Free and Accepted or Ancient Free and Accepted we’re Master Masons


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  19. acjohnson53

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    We should govern ourselves accordingly. Some of the words have been changed to protect the innocent...


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  20. Glen Cook

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    I don’t understand the reference to the letter designation.
     

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