Tired of always hearing and every topic turn into a race thing.
Sent from Mossy Oak Swamp Bottom.
Every topic or this topic regarding recognition. I don't recall race being a factor in most.
Tired of always hearing and every topic turn into a race thing.
Sent from Mossy Oak Swamp Bottom.
Just cause i cant sit in your lodge dont mean were not both widows sons and brothers.
In the states with no recognition, the Prince Hall grand lodges are regular but unrecognized. It is really borderline unmasonic to call a regular grand lodge clandestine. Some people wouldn't use the borderline. Yet, some of these states do. But there is no racism at all. Yeah right!
Here is a scenario:
A Lodge that has a Charter from a recognized regular Grand Lodge, so it is a regular constituent Lodge of that Grand Lodge.
It decides that it wants to form it own Grand Lodge, so it breaks with its chartering Grand Lodge, forms two other lodges and issues them a charter and then joins with the two lodges it chartered to form a Grand Lodge.
So, would you consider that Grand Lodge, its lodges, and members to be regular?
The only lodge ill sit in is lodges recognized by my home lodge. I abide by all the laws, rules regulations of my grand lodge.
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You know what i would love to see.
They should make one week a year (to start) called intervisitation week.
During this week prince hall can visit mainstream and mainstream can visit prince hall.
I bet this would put a new view on brotherhood.
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That scenario has already played out. Prince Hall Origin. They are not regular anymore.
So, you do not know that PHO and PHA share the same lineage to African Lodge #459 which did exactly what was outlined in the scenario I put forward:
"In 1797 African Lodge, contrary to the terms of its warrant and the English Book of Constitutions by which it was bound, gave authority to two groups of men to meet as Lodges: African Lodge No. 459B to meet at Philadelphia in Pennsylvania and Hiram Lodge (without a number) to meet at Providence, Rhode island. Authority may have been given to others after 1808." http://bessel.org/masrec/phaugle.htm
So why do you consider PHA to be regular but not PHO?
A Lodge that has a Charter from a recognized regular Grand Lodge, so it is a regular constituent Lodge of that Grand Lodge.
It decides that it wants to form it own Grand Lodge, so it breaks with its chartering Grand Lodge, forms two other lodges and issues them a charter and then joins with the two lodges it chartered to form a Grand Lodge.
So, would you consider that Grand Lodge, its lodges, and members to be regular?
So, you do not know that PHO and PHA share the same lineage to African Lodge #459 which did exactly what was outlined in the scenario I put forward:
"In 1797 African Lodge, contrary to the terms of its warrant and the English Book of Constitutions by which it was bound, gave authority to two groups of men to meet as Lodges: African Lodge No. 459B to meet at Philadelphia in Pennsylvania and Hiram Lodge (without a number) to meet at Providence, Rhode island. Authority may have been given to others after 1808." http://bessel.org/masrec/phaugle.htm
So why do you consider PHA to be regular but not PHO?
As they had a quorum they founded their own GL
they remained regular from the beginning on
PHO went out of business and the name was resurrected
So you want to create a recognition war between State Grand Lodges that have recognized each other for decades. And how could this be good for Freemasonry in the U S?
Funny how you keep saying that but yet you couldn't answer any of the questions I asked you earlier or provide any examples.
Just because the UGLE and other Grand Lodges decide to modify and ignore longstanding Standards of Recognition does not mean that other Grand Lodges have to do the same.
You did leave out some important details from that same site.
"1. On 29 September 1784 a warrant was granted by the premier Grand Lodge of England to 15 men in Boston, Massachusetts (including Bro Hall, whose first name was Prince) forming them into African Lodge, No. 459 on the English Register."
"RESOLUTION FOR GRAND LODGE
The Grand Registrar to move that, notwithstanding its unusual formation, the Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Massachusetts should now be accepted as regular, and be recognised.
[This resolution was adopted by the United Grand Lodge of England in December 1994.]"
Excuses, excuses.
I never said that African Lodge No. 459 was not originally a regular lodge warranted/chartered by the Grand Lodge of England, but when they began chartering other lodges without authority their warrant/charter was no longer valid.
I also never said that the UGLE did not recognize them, but the UGLE hold no special authority in determining recognition. They like every other Grand Lodge can only decide what Grand Lodges they recognize.